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    I have a new pump for the water feature , looking for some advise on how to proceed .

    Some basic information to start with .

    The water feature is 3.7 meters long x 70 wide and roughly 30 deep.

    In full sun

    It's a bit deeper than that ,but I have put a layer of bricks on the bottom and no filled it to the top. I understand if it is deeper than 30 it has to be fenced ?

    holds 1000 litres in round numbers?

    Has 4 fountain head things in the pond and 3 cascade water falls on the back wall

    It's a renderered block above ground rectangular pond with a painted on water proofing .

    has a pondmax 11000 pump.

    I have just filed it with tap water (brisbane)

    the aim is to put some water plants and maybe some fish in it. If the fish complicate thing too much I wont bother .

    i am looking for as low maintainance as possible.

    i am trying to avoid having green slimy stagnant pit in the front yard .

    i have been advised to do nothing for 2 weeks . Apart from run the pump 24/7 . What would that cost with a 200w pump,!!
    Then after it stabilises . Have the ph tested and go from from there with plants and maybe fish .

    I bought the house with this water feature already built .it is quite pleasant to sit in the evening with the lights on in the pond and the water running ....... Having a beer or two.


    I don't want to spend a lot of time and money keeping this thing operating . I will just fill it in if it becomes a problem ?


    I really know nothing about these things . I need some help

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    someone else can help you with the electricity calcs

    but water attracts mozzies so fish are good to help keep control of that.
    also fish along with the plants give you a bit of an eco system going - waste recycling.

    the 2 week wait I suspect is advice just to get the chlorine out.
    don't add too many fish at once otherwise their waste will not be recycled until the bacteria system builds up. local fish shop can tell max no of fish for you size pond.

    30cm is a bit too shallow for a fish pond so plants help by giving them cover from predators (birds, cats) and the sun. even then you still might have a problem.

    put the pumps on a timer (like off for 2 hours in the day when the sun is on the walls) so the waterfall walls get a chance to dry out otherwise you will get an algae build up.

    hth

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    Thanks for that info.

    You are correct about running the pump to remove the chlorine .thats what the local pet shop bloke said to do . But 2 weeks how much chlorine can there be ?

    i have got some stuff to add to the water that is supposed to help remove the chlorine. Will that speed up the process?

    When the chlorine has gone ,is that when the ph balance is correct and when the ph balance is correct is that when the fish and plants can be added?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lgc67 View Post
    Thanks for that info.

    You are correct about running the pump to remove the chlorine .thats what the local pet shop bloke said to do . But 2 weeks how much chlorine can there be ?

    i have got some stuff to add to the water that is supposed to help remove the chlorine. Will that speed up the process?

    When the chlorine has gone ,is that when the ph balance is correct and when the ph balance is correct is that when the fish and plants can be added?

    renopa thanks for the info on in the PM . Have replied ,however your message box is full!


    The product I have from the pet shop is "Prime" will that remove the chlorine etc and allow me to get plants and fish in the pond straight away .is it the same as "Water Ager " that has also been recommended ?

    glad I'm not running my car on this stuff ,it's about $50 a litre !

    is it viable to use a smaller solar power pump just to keep some movement in the water rather than run the big 200w 240v 24/7 and just use the larger pump to run the fountains and water falls to put on a "show " so to speak?


    do I have to have the ph right before putting in plants and or fish?


    This is harder than I thought!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lgc67 View Post
    Thanks for that info.

    You are correct about running the pump to remove the chlorine . But 2 weeks how chlorine can there be ?
    yeah, it only takes a day or so. it evaporates.

    i have got some stuff to add to the water that is supposed to help remove the chlorine. Will that speed up the process?
    yes. but why spend the money. And what are you going to do when you have to top up the pond due to evaporation? Answer: top up frequently so the added water is diluted by the existing pond water. And, yes, you WILL get a lot of evaporation in summer, especially with the waterfalls.

    When the chlorine has gone ,is that when the ph balance is correct and when the ph balance is correct is that when the fish and plants can be added?
    chlorine doesn't really affect the Ph.
    your tap water will have a natural Ph. I am not familiar with Brissie tap water but best to live with it if you can. In an outdoor pond you don't want to be adjusting the Ph all the time, it will drive you and your wallet nuts. goldfish etc can be pretty tolerant. when you get the pond set up with plants etc, water lily looks good, add 3 or 4 goldfish, then a week or two later add another 3 or 4. You probably don't want more than a dozen or so in a shallow pond, even if it is a 1,000 litres.

    fish sh*t, gives off ammonia. Ammonia in too high a qty kills fish. natural bacteria in the water/environ converts the ammonia to nitrites, not as toxic but can kill fish if too concentrated, more bacteria converts the nitrites to nitrates, even less toxic but can kill fish if too concentrated, but the plants use the nitrates as food - dah dah! eco system. don't overfeed the fish. in fact in my outdoor pond i never fed them, but a little bit in the beginning is ok until your pond becomes self sustaining. Why do fish shops sell so many fish? cause people keep killing em. Why? usually overfeeding or poor water quality (usually caused by uneaten food).

    so going slow gets the eco system established without stressing the fish.

    with the plants, establish them first for a few weeks (leave them in those aerated pots) cause all sorts of stuff will leach into the water, then add the fish. Don't use those plant food pellets they will kill the fish. Let the fish waste feed the plants.
    If you decide to have no fish, then you can feed the plants with those pellets for water plants (you embed them in the pots) but you will need to control the mozzies and the algae build up (fish eat it).

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    ps:
    the easiest way to get rid of the chlorine when topping up the pond is to "splash" it in. like set up the hose so the outflow drops onto the water surface. it is the aeration of the water that gets rid of the chlorine. Prime is a good product, but as you know expensive.

    it is the surface movement of the water that aerates it. those aquarium pumps that produce those nice bubbles? it aerates the tank when it breaks the surface, not on the way up.

    as said earlier, good to have the waterfalls off to dry them out otherwise you will get algae build up on the walls. you can then run the pump that aerates the surface water 24/7 if you want. I haven't tried the solar powered pumps.

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    Thank you ,
    That helps a lot .

    sounds like I'm ready to start putting this together.

    Allow me to now ask some dumb questions about the plants .

    I have seen some water plants cheap on gumtree

    Are there any "water plants" to avoid ,that might cause problems that a beginner like me might get sucked into ?

    Are there any particularly good water plants to get?

    I want to keep them in pots ,so what do I use in the pots ?

    As pointed out in the previous reply standard potting mix won't do because of the fertiliser in it .

    Is gravel ok and if so does it have to be some special type . Washed or something ? How about a bit of deco granite or something?


    How deep into water do I place the pots ?

    Does the depth vary for different types of plants?


    i have some Iris plants are they ok.

    So many questions .......so little time



    if you think this is bad , wait till move on to the bloody FISH

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    I've got a goldfish pond. I empty it monthly (when I can't see the fish any more) and refill it with tap and tip the goldfish back in straight away.
    The only things that seem to kill my goldfish are predators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bob View Post
    I've got a goldfish pond. I empty it monthly (when I can't see the fish any more) and refill it with tap and tip the goldfish back in straight away.
    The only things that seem to kill my goldfish are predators.
    Maybe I'm over thinking this?

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    go to a place that specialises in water plants, probably have fish and ponds and water features also, probably don't have normal garden variety plants.
    leave them in the pots they come in. hopefully/probably those aerated ones (have holes like a colander). if they are going to be too far under the water in your pond (unlikely since it is shallow) just put them on some bricks. if the top of the pot sticks out of the water you will have to repot them.

    water lily is cool. nice flowers. can be expensive. but you will only need one or two. buy ones with the flowers in bloom, that way you will see what you are getting and some don't bloom - ever.
    water iris are good too.
    only one to avoid is that pretty one that sits on the surface - duck weed I think it is called. goes rampant and chokes the pond.

    fish is easy. buy some small gold fish. 3 or 4 to start. throw em in. don't buy koi - your pond is too small and they will eat all your plants.

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    With the helpful tips received here ,I have managed t get this thing up and running.

    Found some plants locally on gumtree. $3 each rather than $18 at Bunnings or $25 each at the local Pet Town!

    2 basic gold fish . Neil and Buzz (first fish in the pond .......get it?) had to buy them from the aquarium shop ,not sure how much ,but no doubt paid through the nose. This pet / aquarium shop business is a licence to print money !

    Put in three 12 volt lights

    looks @@@@@ hot if I do say so myself


    Rather than run the 200 watt 240 V pump 24/7, as suggested I will try to pick up a solar pump to just run one fountain head sort of thing to keep the water aerated . Any ideas on the best place to pick one up cheap or the best brand / type?


    Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lgc67 View Post
    Rather than run the 200 watt 240 pump 24/7, as suggested I will try to pick up a solar pump to just run one fountain head sort of thing to keep the water aerated . Any ideas on the best place to pick one up cheap or the best brand / type?
    well done.

    cheap pumps don't last, but in your situation it won't be a big deal if you lose a few goldfish if you don't notice. unaerated outdoor ponds don't need to be pumped like an indoor heated aquarium where you might lose your fish if it was running overnight. outdoor some ponds don't even need aeration - depends on the volume of water and number of fish.

    Eheim are good quality pumps but are expensive. Onga too but I haven't used them.

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    200 watts for a pond pump is crazy. Will cost $1.40 to run a day.

    Get yourself a Ehiem pond pump, 2400l/ph 50 watts.

    It will take less than a year to recoup the purchase cost and last 10 years.

    All good advice (except for draining the pond in full and then dumping them back into tap water.)

    Change most of the water but not all, you need some of the old water for the good bacteria and biological cycle noted above.

    Over feeding fish is the number one killer.


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    Mmmmmm interesting , so I don't need to keep this pump running . So if, I just give it a couple of hours a day it should pump in enough air to keep things ticking along. Sure will save a few bob on power. If I can find a little solar pump even better

    cheers

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