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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    When the bureau of meteorology embarks in falsifying data to protect what they perceive as a source of funds, our own logic and our own senses must kick in to make some sense out of this.
    Pity you still haven't checked you facts before you reposted the same fraudulent claim about the effect of BOM's data homogenisation. BOM's adjustments had the net effect of actually REDUCING the apparent rate of surface temperature warming in Australia. This has already been dealt with here: #12016

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    Clearly there is widespread worldwide empiric data that we are not heating up but rather cooling.
    So are you going to provide a source for this claim or are you just pontificating from your ideological soap box?

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    Heating is better than cooling for humans and last time I checked I am human.
    The best temperature range for humans is the one the human race evolved and adapted to live in.
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    Google will stop supporting climate change science deniers, calls them liars.

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    Google Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt today said it was a “mistake” to support the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a group that has said human-created climate change could be “beneficial” and opposes environmental regulations. Schmidt said groups trying to cast doubt on climate change science are "just literally lying."
    “The company has a very strong view that we should make decisions in politics based on facts, what a shock, and the facts of climate change are not in question anymore,” Schmidt said. “Everyone understands that climate change is occurring, and the people who oppose it are really hurting our children and grandchildren and making the world a much worse place. And so we should not be aligned with such people. They’re just literally lying.”

    Those who want to ignore the science are increasingly alone. They are on their own shrinking island.


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    Google has joined Microsoft, Coca-Cola, General Electric, Walmart, Amazon, Pacific Gas and Electric, and scores of other corporate members in relinquishing their membership of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) over it's promotion of climate change denial, amongst other things.

    Corporations that Have Cut Ties to ALEC - SourceWatch
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    Ha ha ha ha. So now Google and Coca Cola are reputable Climatologists and have had their findings "peer reviewed" ? I love it. When it is a sceptical claim it is invalid because it is not pontificated by a mercenary ... sorry .. I mean to say "paid" scientist. (The retired or independent do not count as we all know) When it is an opposition to the heretics sinners who dare challenge the supreme authority of the clowns in chrge of the circus it is OK to cite corporations who make billions out of this scam and are afraid to loose face. Keep it up guys, it is all part of the fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    So now Google and Coca Cola are reputable Climatologists and have had their findings "peer reviewed" ?
    You've got a bit of a wild imagination Marc, and an apparent inability/unwillingness to understand the significance of the post. Science and technology companies, or companies that depend on science and technology, can't deny mainstream science and retain credibility with their boards, employees and customers. Get it now?
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    The Climate March in NY was another outpouring of innumerate frustration. Marc Morano went to the Climate March, despite being listed as the hate figure of the day and found no one was even bothering to hide the real aim, which was pro-socialist and anti-capitalist. Naomi Klein even admitted that the science is irrelevant, and she would be supporting all the same “solutions” even if the science was wrong.
    During the panel discussion, Klein was asked: “Even if climate change issue did not exist, you would be calling for same structural changes. Klein responded: ‘Yeah.’
    Following the panel, Climate Depot asked Klein if she would support all the same climate “solutions” even if the science was wrong.
    “Yes, I would still be for social justice even if there was not climate change. Yes, you caught me Marc,” Klein answered sarcastically as she abruptly ended the interview
    Naomi Klein’s new book is titled “This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. The Climate”. The enemy is “Capitalism” — hence big-coal is a target and big-dependent-renewables are her friends. It’s all about wealth redistribution. Since Klein has a crippling problem with numbers, she would prefer a world where people get ahead by networking and speaking, and not by competition to produce things that other people want. It makes sense in a self-serving kind of way.
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    One day a big light will go on in some rather small minds: Capitalism as it exists now was built on and depends on the planet's historically stable climate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    The actual magnitude of surface temperature change does not reveal the significance of slight shifts in temperature. One problem is that fruit trees fail to set fruit if they do not receive enough chill hours during winter. New varieties of fruit trees can be bred or developed, but trees take years to reach productive maturity.

    As a result of the loss of regional chill hours, there have been significant fruit crop failures in the order of 80-90% in specific regions around the world in recent years. Agricultural research is on steroids trying to find solutions quickly enough to keep up with the rate of climate change.

    The chilling requirement of a fruit is the minimum period of cold weather after which a fruit-bearing tree will blossom. It is often expressed in chill hours, which can be calculated in different ways, all of which essentially involve adding up the total amount of time in a winter spent at certain temperatures

    Chilling requirement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    only a true fool would swallow some more propaganda that tries to back up the original propaganda.
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    Rockefeller family abandons oil legacy with fossil fuel divestments | Campden FB


    “John D Rockefeller, the founder of Standard Oil, moved out of whale oil and into petroleum,” said Stephen Heintz, president of the fund, which is worth $US850 million. “We are quite convinced if he were alive today, as an astute businessman looking out to the future, he would be moving out of fossil fuels and investing in renewable energy.”

    “Investors, analysts, and research institutions are quickly getting to grips with the drivers of risks like climate change, how they might be correlated, and what this then means for asset specific and total fund performance.

    The Fund's initial priorities for investments from this 10 percent pool are focused on support for clean energy technologies and other business strategies that advance energy efficiency, decrease dependence on fossil fuels, and mitigate the effects of climate change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodbe View Post
    Google will stop supporting climate change science deniers, calls them liars.

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    nothing like a bit of censorship from what should be a neutral information platform?
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    Quote Originally Posted by intertd6 View Post
    nothing like a bit of censorship from what should be a neutral platform?
    Do you have a source that shows Google is censoring anything about climate change or climate change denial? All they said is they will stop funding lobby groups which deny science.

    It is difficult for a science and technology company to reconcile funding science deniers, when the same science underpins those science and technology companies. There is only one set of law of physics, BTW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    Rockefeller family abandons oil legacy with fossil fuel divestments | Campden FB


    “John D Rockefeller, the founder of Standard Oil, moved out of whale oil and into petroleum,” said Stephen Heintz, president of the fund, which is worth $US850 million. “We are quite convinced if he were alive today, as an astute businessman looking out to the future, he would be moving out of fossil fuels and investing in renewable energy.”

    “Investors, analysts, and research institutions are quickly getting to grips with the drivers of risks like climate change, how they might be correlated, and what this then means for asset specific and total fund performance.

    The Fund's initial priorities for investments from this 10 percent pool are focused on support for clean energy technologies and other business strategies that advance energy efficiency, decrease dependence on fossil fuels, and mitigate the effects of climate change.

    http://www.rbf.org/content/divestment-statement
    and some more propaganda, for those that feed on this stuff!
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    Quote Originally Posted by intertd6 View Post
    Originally Posted by John2bRockefeller family abandons oil legacy with fossil fuel divestments | Campden FB


    “John D Rockefeller, the founder of Standard Oil, moved out of whale oil and into petroleum,” said Stephen Heintz, president of the fund, which is worth $US850 million. “We are quite convinced if he were alive today, as an astute businessman looking out to the future, he would be moving out of fossil fuels and investing in renewable energy.”

    “Investors, analysts, and research institutions are quickly getting to grips with the drivers of risks like climate change, how they might be correlated, and what this then means for asset specific and total fund performance.

    The Fund's initial priorities for investments from this 10 percent pool are focused on support for clean energy technologies and other business strategies that advance energy efficiency, decrease dependence on fossil fuels, and mitigate the effects of climate change.


    Divestment Statement | Rockefeller Brothers Fund

    and some more propaganda, for those that feed on this stuff!
    You must have liked it so much that you reposted it, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by intertd6 View Post
    only a true fool would swallow some more propaganda that tries to back up the original propaganda.
    Not propaganda. Fruit tree chill requirements are well know in the field of horticulture independent of anything to do with climate change. All that has happened is that crop failures are becoming more frequent as traditional growing areas do not get enough winter chill for fruit set. Read for yourself about the chill requirements for stone fruit.

    DEPI - Chill units of stone fruit


    Figure 1. The above ready reckoner can be used to give an estimation of the chill units accumulated in a given season. As a guide only, it uses the average temperature of the coldest month to indicate possible chill units (Dr Jill Campbell, NSW Agriculture).
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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    Do you have a source that shows Google is censoring anything about climate change or climate change denial? All they said is they will stop funding lobby groups which deny science.

    It is difficult for a science and technology company to reconcile funding science deniers, when the same science underpins those science and technology companies. There is only one set of law of physics, BTW.
    anything is possible with profound views like the science is settled, we all know where that ends up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by intertd6 View Post
    anything is possible with profound views like the science is settled, we all know where that ends up!
    It appears to end up with you glossing over the falsehoods and lies of your ideology as they are exposed one by one, and the result that you are digging yourself into a deeper hole with every post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    Not propaganda. Fruit tree chill requirements are well know in the field of horticulture independent of anything to do with climate change. All that has happened is that crop failures are becoming more frequent as traditional growing areas do not get enough winter chill for fruit set. Read for yourself about the chill requirements for stone fruit.

    DEPI - Chill units of stone fruit


    Figure 1. The above ready reckoner can be used to give an estimation of the chill units accumulated in a given season. As a guide only, it uses the average temperature of the coldest month to indicate possible chill units (Dr Jill Campbell, NSW Agriculture).
    Lap it up boys, if you hadn't worked it out the main reason low chill fruits are being developed is so they can be grown where the masses of cheap labour are situated, non temperate third world countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    It appears to end up with you glossing over the falsehoods and lies of your ideology as they are exposed one by one, and the result that you are digging yourself into a deeper hole with every post.
    If that's the case I have a terrible lot of catching up to do & digging.
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    Point of order.

    Google is being neutral. They are not altering their search engine to hide climate change denial. They just aren't throwing money at it. They recognise the current state of the science.

    Those who want to ignore the science are increasingly alone. They are on their own shrinking island.


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    Quote Originally Posted by intertd6 View Post
    If that's the case I have a terrible lot of catching up to do.
    Oh I don't think so. Your hole is so deep you are already well positioned to inform of the Earth's core temperature...
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    Quote Originally Posted by intertd6 View Post
    Lap it up boys, if you hadn't worked it out the main reason low chill fruits are being developed is so they can be grown where the masses of cheap labour are situated, non temperate third world countries.
    Tropical fruits that are affected as well, although in the case of tropical fruits, it is often the roots that need chill, rather than the buds. What cheap labour market are they going to move to if they are already in third world countries? It isn't compulsory to display ignorance, BTW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodbe View Post
    Point of order.

    Google is being neutral.
    just like the impartial media, universities, NGO's, etc, etc, dream on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    Tropical fruits that are affected as well, although in the case of tropical fruits, it is often the roots that need chill, rather than the buds. What cheap labour market are they going to move to if they are already in third world countries? It isn't compulsory to display ignorance, BTW.
    It's not very interesting where the dribble oozes to from an original bit of 0.00 something of a degree warming propaganda, just endless insignificant tripe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intertd6 View Post
    It's not very interesting where the dribble oozes to from an original bit of 0.00 something of a degree warming propaganda, just endless insignificant tripe.
    Tell that to the horticultural industry (except I don't think they can hear you from down there in your hole).

    A harvest less than 25 per cent of last year's crop is behind the shortage and prices Mr Flavell said some cherry growers would have no viable income this year there was limited opportunity for fruit to be brought in from other states because low yields are also affecting other growing regions

    I haven't got any kiwi fruit from my vines for the past few years because the winters have not been cold enough. On the flip side, I have had seven bunches of tropical bananas (that's over 1000 bananas) in the garden over winter, here in Adelaide!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    Tell that to the horticultural industry (except I don't think they can hear you from down there in your hole).

    A harvest less than 25 per cent of last year's crop is behind the shortage and prices Mr Flavell said some cherry growers would have no viable income this year there was limited opportunity for fruit to be brought in from other states because low yields are also affecting other growing regions

    I haven't got any kiwi fruit from my vines for the past few years because the winters have not been cold enough. On the flip side, I have had seven bunches of tropical bananas (that's over 1000 bananas) in the garden over winter, here in Adelaide!

    Yeah our temps have changed that much LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod Dyson View Post
    Yeah our temps have changed that much LOL
    That is correct. It has been 353 consecutive months since the last cooler-than-average month worldwide.

    2013 was Australia's warmest year on record. Persistent and widespread warmth throughout the year led to record-breaking temperatures and several severe bushfires.

    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/annual...13/index.shtml
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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    That is correct. It has been 353 consecutive months since the last cooler-than-average month worldwide.

    2013 was Australia's warmest year on record. Persistent and widespread warmth throughout the year led to record-breaking temperatures and several severe bushfires.

    Annual Climate Report 2013
    by 0.00 something of a degree! "Whoop de do basil....... it's a bit nutty"
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    Quote Originally Posted by intertd6 View Post
    by 0.00 something of a degree! "Whoop de do basil....... it's a bit nutty"
    "Maxima were the warmest on record for September for more than half of the country, with anomalies reaching six to seven degrees in central Australia and parts of southern inland Queensland."

    "The mean temperature for September was not only the warmest on record by more than one degree, but had the largest positive anomaly on record for any month: +2.75 °C."

    "Numerous heatwaves were recorded during 2013, the first commenced in the last week of December 2012. Heat built over southwest Western Australia before spreading along the southern coastline and covering much of the southeast a few days later. Areas of southern and eastern Australia continued to experience temperatures more than ten degrees above average until 18 December."

    "The year ended with further widespread and persistent warmth. High temperatures developed over southwest Western Australia from 15 December, migrating eastward with maximum temperatures more than 12 degrees above average along large areas of the southern coastline over following days before contracting into inland New South Wales and dissipating by the 22nd."

    Annual Climate Report 2013
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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    "Maxima were the warmest on record for September for more than half of the country, with anomalies reaching six to seven degrees in central Australia and parts of southern inland Queensland."

    "The mean temperature for September was not only the warmest on record by more than one degree, but had the largest positive anomaly on record for any month: +2.75 °C."

    "Numerous heatwaves were recorded during 2013, the first commenced in the last week of December 2012. Heat built over southwest Western Australia before spreading along the southern coastline and covering much of the southeast a few days later. Areas of southern and eastern Australia continued to experience temperatures more than ten degrees above average until 18 December."

    "The year ended with further widespread and persistent warmth. High temperatures developed over southwest Western Australia from 15 December, migrating eastward with maximum temperatures more than 12 degrees above average along large areas of the southern coastline over following days before contracting into inland New South Wales and dissipating by the 22nd."

    Annual Climate Report 2013
    So the BOM is changing the definitions now! Yearly weather is now the climate, & how quickly it changes too!
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    The proposal to develop a 180 million tonne per annum coal export facility at Dudgeon Point in Queensland has been cancelled.

    This highlights the rapid deterioration in the global coal industry prospects, with key turning points this last month by China’s President Xi Jinping’s call for an “energy revolution and President Obama’s “Clean Power Plan”.

    Massive Australia coal project dumped in face of China energy revolution : Renew Economy
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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    The proposal to develop a 180 million tonne per annum coal export facility at Dudgeon Point in Queensland has been cancelled.

    This highlights the rapid deterioration in the global coal industry prospects, with key turning points this last month by China’s President Xi Jinping’s call for an “energy revolution and President Obama’s “Clean Power Plan”.

    Massive Australia coal project dumped in face of China energy revolution : Renew Economy
    And I am sure you are rubbing your hands with glee at the prospect of the coal industry collapse. I think I shouldn't use the expletives that you deserve in this case.
    The global warming fraud target was always political and economical. New world communist government, the destruction of capitalism and free market. Dictatorship and micromanagement.
    Fortunately the global warming fraud will not succeed but has and will continue to inflict enormous damage against the west for no other purpose then relocate power and resources.
    Your schadenfreude is rather pathetic.
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    China is now the world leader in both wind and hydro power with fast growth in other renewable sources.


    Xie Zhenhua, China's top official on climate change, said on Friday that new renewable energy capacity installed by China in 2013 accounted for 37 percent of global new capacity, and from 2005 to 2013, China accounted for 24 percent of the world's total.


    As of June this year, China's hydropower capacity stood at around 290 GW, more than double that of 2005. On-grid windpower capacity surpassed 81 GW, more than 60 times of that in 2005.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    And I am sure you are rubbing your hands with glee at the prospect of the coal industry collapse.
    Marc, you have a wild imagination and exhibit a dangerous propensity to think you "know" what other people are thinking. I am not "rubbing my hands with glee" at all. Climate change is not a football match. Your intolerant ideology manifests in some rather ridiculous statements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intertd6 View Post
    So the BOM is changing the definitions now! Yearly weather is now the climate, & how quickly it changes too!
    Good point Inter. BOM seems to be erroneously interchanging the words weather and climate in the summary report. However the terms used do not change the significance of the temperature record or the facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    Good point Inter. BOM seems to be erroneously interchanging the words weather and climate in the summary report. However the terms used do not change the significance of the temperature record or the facts.
    what significance? Something of significance is no global warming since 1998 when they said the warming to come in a few years was going to be catastrophic, back then the gullible airheads swallowed it hook line & sinker & have been repeating the mantra ever since, still seeking more sophisticated manipulative means of propaganda to satisfy their inner fear & spread their evangelical like crusade so they can feel like they are part of a group, oh dear I've just described another cult! Like that's a revelation? The tiny little cogs must be spinning frantically inside their heads creating all sorts of panic to which some sort of higher power must be able to save their needy beings & stop Hobart from becoming a tropical paradise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intertd6 View Post
    Something of significance is no global warming since 1998 when they said the warming to come in a few years was going to be catastrophic
    Only two posts ago you were blasting others for mistaking weather for climate, and now you are erroneously doing the same thing!

    Climate is defined as the thirty year trend, so you will have to wait until 2028 before you can say warming stopped in 1998. There will have to be dramatic and radical cooling starting fairly soon for that to be a possibility. Reminder:

    The hottest 20 year continuous period is the latest 20 years.
    The hottest 10 year continuous period is the latest 10 years.
    The hottest 5 year continuous period is the latest 5 years.

    It has been 353 consecutive months since the last cooler-than-average month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod Dyson View Post
    Yeah our temps have changed that much LOL
    Not so much the temperature but the frequency at which a particular maxima or minima temperature recurs, both seasonally and annually.

    Weirdly, much of inland SE Aust is expected to experience an increasing frequency of frost days during winter in the short to medium term (out to 2050 or so) because of higher frequency of winter days with low humidity and low cloud coverage. After 2050, expected frost days taper off as other influences (and uncertainty factors) take hold...

    We see some evidence of that here - if the winter is dry (like the one just past) then we get more days with harder frosts than we do in an average or near average winter rainfall year. The stone fruit and nut trees loved it but the frost sensitive citrus and avocados were slaughtered this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentButDeadly View Post
    Not so much the temperature but the frequency at which a particular maxima or minima temperature recurs, both seasonally and annually.

    Weirdly, much of inland SE Aust is expected to experience an increasing frequency of frost days during winter in the short to medium term (out to 2050 or so) because of higher frequency of winter days with low humidity and low cloud coverage. After 2050, expected frost days taper off as other influences (and uncertainty factors) take hold...

    We see some evidence of that here - if the winter is dry (like the one just past) then we get more days with harder frosts than we do in an average or near average winter rainfall year. The stone fruit and nut trees loved it but the frost sensitive citrus and avocados were slaughtered this year.
    I guess that's never happened before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod Dyson View Post
    I guess that's never happened before.
    It's happened before. The concern is the frequency and severity with which it is happening and the increasing areas affected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentButDeadly View Post
    Not so much the temperature but the frequency at which a particular maxima or minima temperature recurs, both seasonally and annually.

    Weirdly, much of inland SE Aust is expected to experience an increasing frequency of frost days during winter in the short to medium term (out to 2050 or so) because of higher frequency of winter days with low humidity and low cloud coverage. After 2050, expected frost days taper off as other influences (and uncertainty factors) take hold...

    We see some evidence of that here - if the winter is dry (like the one just past) then we get more days with harder frosts than we do in an average or near average winter rainfall year. The stone fruit and nut trees loved it but the frost sensitive citrus and avocados were slaughtered this year.
    And not more than a few posts ago there was a AGWist running around like a chook without its vital bits panicking & preaching about not enough frosts to set stone fruit, looks like they have a little time up their sleeves to develop some new varieties for our country! 40 years seems like a easy timeframe to meet. The not so intellectually challenged know that the no chill varieties will be well & truly established in third world countries & the only fruit grown here will be for the boutique market
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    Quote Originally Posted by intertd6 View Post
    The not so intellectually challenged know that the no chill varieties will be well & truly established in third world countries & the only fruit grown here will be for the boutique market
    You are a Zen Master at conspiracy theories with a tale like that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod Dyson View Post
    I guess that's never happened before.
    Of course it has. The problem is that it is happening more often in the last decade or two. Our historic pattern of generally winter dominant rainfall (and corresponding higher humidity) has drifted more recently towards a pattern where rainfall is spread roughly equally (but sporadically) across winter and summer which is not an ideal situation in a low rainfall area (~230mm/year) dominated by winter cropping cereals. This year is a case in point - excellent start but almost no follow up rain.

    Curiously, the latest modelling suggests that rainfall in our region won't change significantly in terms of totals but it will shift seasonally (as it has seemingly started to do) and be more unreliable. When you couple that with a greater number of warm or hot days then things like evapotranspiration rates tend to create longer periods of plant stress and reduced yields....despite the stuff all shift in total rainfall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentButDeadly View Post
    "The not so intellectually challenged know that the no chill varieties will be well & truly established in third world countries & the only fruit grown here will be for the boutique market"

    You are a Zen Master at conspiracy theories with a tale like that...
    That would be a given answer for the challenged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    Only two posts ago you were blasting others for mistaking weather for climate, and now you are erroneously doing the same thing!

    Climate is defined as the thirty year trend, so you will have to wait until 2028 before you can say warming stopped in 1998. There will have to be dramatic and radical cooling starting fairly soon for that to be a possibility. Reminder:

    The hottest 20 year continuous period is the latest 20 years.
    The hottest 10 year continuous period is the latest 10 years.
    The hottest 5 year continuous period is the latest 5 years.

    It has been 353 consecutive months since the last cooler-than-average month.
    You certainly have confirmed you seem it have a vivid imagination indeed! Imagining that I have somehow said that no warming since 1998 means anything other than a statement of the facts! No need for more repeated rhetoric about 0.00 degrees of change propaganda! Save it for your fellow brethren as it's just a waste on the sensible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intertd6 View Post
    Imagining that I have somehow said that no warming since 1998 means anything other than a statement of the facts!
    It is factually incorrect to say there has been no warming since 1998. That is obvious to sensible people, since the hottest 5 year continuous period is the latest 5 years and the last 5 years happened entirely after 1998.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    It is factually incorrect to say there has been no warming since 1998. That is obvious to sensible people, since the hottest 5 year continuous period is the latest 5 years and the last 5 years happened entirely after 1998.
    if you imagine so!
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    Going by the 30-year linear trend from 1968-1997, the temperature in 2014 would have expected to be 0.63C above the 1951-1980 mean - slightly below what the 2014 result is likely to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    Going by the 30-year linear trend from 1968-1997, the temperature in 2014 would have expected to be 0.63C above the 1951-1980 mean - slightly below what the 2014 result is likely to be.

    Global Land-Ocean Temperature Anomaly
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodbe View Post
    But John2b, don't you know we're supposed to ignore the oceans here?
    Far from there being a "hiatus", surface temperature rise is in fact running above trend despite the acceleration of heat retention in the oceans, as the graphic shows: Global Land-Ocean Temperature Anomaly
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    The Abbott LNC Government's coal fired economic revitalisation is unlikely to occur, despite the $billions in tacit fossil fuel subsidies the industry still gets.

    Not that many people in Australia will notice the difference. The coal mining industry represents just 0.3% of Australian employment and most of the profit goes overseas or to superrich business owners. Gina Rinehart pays herself 59,800 times the average Australian wage for example. (Rinehart alone probably earns more than the combined income of all regular Australian workers employed in the coal industry.)

    The reason: China has decoupled GDP growth from coal consumption, and for the first time in modern history China's coal consumption is officially in decline.


    Compiled from China National Bureau of Statistics and China National Coal Association statistical releases.
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