Corona virus

Given how awful Corona is until one hits it with lime juice which just about makes it palatable...perhaps that is the answer for this iteration of coronavirus?

Fear always makes the world a smaller and less interesting place...

Originally Posted by pharmaboy2

Its interesting how people who have enrolled in conspiracy theories in the past tend to enrol in more conspiracy theories - there is some tendency there. Joeseph [he means Joseph] Mercola is definately [ means definitely ] one of those - features on quackwatch quite a bit.

I'm presuming the undercurrent of this article is that Bill Gates is actually Dr evil and has released a virsu [ meaning virus] on the world in order to cut the population and solve global warming....... ;D . [ he means ]

Interesting. Since you are so well informed, can you kindly provide with the proof that this facts are actually wrong or never happened?
I am not really interested in how you personally credit Mercola. I am sure you also dislike Donald Trump, Putin, the Queen, and Alan Jones, but I don't really give a toss.

As of January 27, 2020, China reported 2,835 confirmed cases of novel coronavirus-infected pneumonia (NCIP), including 76 deaths. The first case was reported in December 2019. Since then, cases have also been reported in the U.S., Canada, Australia, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and France. ... FACT OR FICTION???

Clinical manifestations of NCIP are consistent with viral pneumonia. FACT OR FICTION?

The hysteria being drummed up follows a well-worn pattern where the population is kept in a state of fear about microbes so that drug companies can come to the rescue with yet another expensive (and potentially mandatory) drug or vaccine FACT OR FICTION?

In January 2018, China’s first biosecurity level 4 lab designed for the study of the world’s most dangerous pathogens opened its doors in Wuhan City, the epicenter of the current NCIP outbreak FACT OR FICTION?

October 18, 2019, Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation sponsored a pandemic preparedness exercise in New York, practicing for the emergence of a new fictional viral illness dubbed “coronavirus acute pulmonary syndrome” FACT OR FICTION OR IS IT JUST AN UNFORTUNATE COINCIDENCE EXPLOITED BUT THE "EVIL MERCOLA WHO IS ON THE PAYROLL OF THE OIL INDUSTRY AND RECEIVES FUNDS FROM THE MASONS AND OPUS DEI NOT TO MENTION THE POPE" ???

There was in fact an exercise (called “Event 201”) that took place in October that was hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security — which the Gates Foundation participated in — that focused on emergency preparedness in the event of a “very severe pandemic.” But it didn’t deal with 2019-nCoV, and it didn’t make real-life predictions about death tolls.

No one said they made predictions. So it is a fact. The rest of the fluff is a lot of words to deflect heat. What else can they say?
So that is for Dr Mercola's last point.

I take it that you couldn't come up with anything for this further 4 points, short of your uneventful attempt at discredit a medical doctor with 20 years of experience in family practice and research. Are you a doctor? have some sort of association to medical fields? are you a pharmacist as your name suggests or is that just a plagiarism?


As of January 27, 2020, China reported 2,835 confirmed cases of novel coronavirus-infected pneumonia (NCIP), including 76 deaths. The first case was reported in December 2019. Since then, cases have also been reported in the U.S., Canada, Australia, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and France. ... FACT OR FICTION???

Clinical manifestations of NCIP are consistent with viral pneumonia. FACT OR FICTION?

The hysteria being drummed up follows a well-worn pattern where the population is kept in a state of fear about microbes so that drug companies can come to the rescue with yet another expensive (and potentially mandatory) drug or vaccine FACT OR FICTION?

In January 2018, China’s first biosecurity level 4 lab designed for the study of the world’s most dangerous pathogens opened its doors in Wuhan City, the epicenter of the current NCIP outbreak FACT OR FICTION?

Originally Posted by pharmaboy2

"“The human understanding, when it has once adopted an opinion draws all things … to support and agree with it. And though there be a greater number and weight of instances to be found on the other side, yet these it either neglects and despises or … sets aside and rejects in order that by this great and pernicious predetermination, the authority of its former conclusions may remain inviolate”. (Francis Bacon 1602)."

Not as catchy as my signature line.

So tell me so called Pharma boy, are you able to contradict just one of the 5 points made in the initial post copied from Mercola, or are you going to beat around de bush encouraged by your claque?
As far as your borrowed statements about human understanding and how we choose the facts that better match our values, you got it in one. It is undeniable for any thought process. YOurs and mine alike.
When i quoted this and many other mechanism of our mind in another thread you and your compadres jumped up and down for a month.
Funny hei ?
Still waiting for you unequivocal proof that all those points made are just fabrication of evil Dr Mercola paid by the fossil fuel cartels..

October 18, 2019, Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation sponsored a pandemic preparedness exercise in New York, practicing for the emergence of a new fictional viral illness dubbed “coronavirus acute pulmonary syndrome”

FACT

The hysteria being drummed up follows a well-worn pattern where the population is kept in a state of fear about microbes so that drug companies can come to the rescue with yet another expensive (and potentially mandatory) drug or vaccine

FACT

That is a fact. Adorned with his opinion but still a fact. Media and governments feed on fear and this is one of the many we have seen. Swine flu. mad cow, etc. I don't subscribe to anti vax only because the benefit outnumber the dangers. He has his opinion, you have yours, based on your values that others have chosen for you and that you follow without knowing ... but that is another story.
Two down 3 to go, you are not doing too well are you?
So tell me the other 3 points are all a fabrication of mine are they?

As of January 27, 2020, China reported 2,835 confirmed cases of novel coronavirus-infected pneumonia (NCIP), including 76 deaths. The first case was reported in December 2019. Since then, cases have also been reported in the U.S., Canada, Australia, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and France. ... FACT OR FICTION???

Clinical manifestations of NCIP are consistent with viral pneumonia. FACT OR FICTION?

In January 2018, China’s first biosecurity level 4 lab designed for the study of the world’s most dangerous pathogens opened its doors in Wuhan City, the epicenter of the current NCIP outbreak FACT OR FICTION?

As for your dance with the "conspiracy theory", have your fun but know that a reported fact needs no proof. An opinion may need confirmation, like your dismissal of Dr Mercola. I take his medical advice over yours any day. What is your authority in this field. Pharma boy?
The medical establishment don't like him, they don't like any of the alternative medicine nor supplements who they claim make expensive urine. Old hat my boy, The Lancet, the most traditionalist medical publication you can quote and that I receive at home every month has changed his tune years ago.

I'm assuming that, since this is a novel coronavirus and the common cold is also a coronavirus and we don't yet have a vaccine for the common cold, the anti-vaxxers are pretty safe from the rest of us in this case.

Honestly, I'm looking forward to catching this flaming thing...just to get it over with.

I mean, whats "consistant with viral pneumonia"supposed to mean?

(Nothing ... but you mean consistent right?)

For someone that has the hight to criticise Dr Mercola, that should be a rather simple quiz to debunk. Plus you are a seasoned conspiracy theorist debunker ...

be consistent with somethingif a fact, idea etc is consistent with another one, it seems to match it:
Her injuries are consistent with having fallen from the building. ... The results are consistent with earlier research.

Viral Pneumonia as opposed to bacterial pneumonia:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...t-site&rss=yes

Originally Posted by Bros

Death wish?

It is my first world expectation that I will die in a few decades hence, deep in some soporific haze due to a preventable chronic disease due to my wonderful current lifestyle...

Originally Posted by Bigboboz

Shouldn't this be not scared of "being dead" rather than "of dying"?

I have a similar view, not keen on the 'journey' bit, particularly of being aware of being on the 'journey'.

Strange comment. Being dead is when you are dead already, done and dusted. Dying is the process, the one you say to fear together with Bros' friend.
Perfectly normal thought process, to fear the process of dying. Being dead already is a different concept. i actually look forward to such state when it will be a reality, i am really curious even when I prefer to delay the change over.
Somehow I doubt the corona virus will be anything to fear more than all the previous strains of the flu.

On a similar line ... this thread or rather the string of replies is a perfect example of fear of dying. The answers and their vitriol, is concentrated in denying or deflecting and in avoiding anything that reminds us of our mortality. Pointing fingers to "conspiracy theories" is a good strategy.
"Marc made it all up"

Originally Posted by Marc

On a similar line ... this thread or rather the string of replies is a perfect example of fear of dying. The answers and their vitriol, is concentrated in denying or deflecting and in avoiding anything that reminds us of our mortality. Pointing fingers to "conspiracy theories" is a good strategy.

That is the 2nd funniest thing I've read all week.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...reak-s-origins

In the absence of clear conclusions about the outbreak’s origin, theories thrive, and some have been scientifically shaky. A sequence analysis led by Wei Ji of Peking University and published online by the Journal of Medical Virology received substantial press coverage when it suggested that “snake is the most probable wildlife animal reservoir for the 2019‐nCoV.” Sequence specialists, however, pilloried it.
Conspiracy theories also abound. A CBC News report about the Canadian government deporting Chinese scientists who worked in a Winnipeg lab that studies dangerous pathogens was distorted on social media to suggest that they were spies who had smuggled out coronaviruses. The Wuhan Institute of Virology, which is the premier lab in China that studies bat and human coronaviruses, has also come under fire. “Experts debunk fringe theory linking China’s coronavirus to weapons research,” read a headline on a story in The Washington Post that focused on the facility.
Concerns about the institute predate this outbreak. Nature ran a story in 2017 about it building a new biosafety level 4 lab and included molecular biologist Richard Ebright of Rutgers University, Piscataway, expressing concerns about accidental infections, which he noted repeatedly happened with lab workers handling SARS in Beijing. Ebright, who has a long history of raising red flags about studies with dangerous pathogens, also in 2015 criticized an experiment in which modifications were made to a SARS-like virus circulating in Chinese bats to see whether it had the potential to cause disease in humans. Earlier this week, Ebright questioned the accuracy of Bedford’s calculation that there are at least 25 years of evolutionary distance between RaTG13—the virus held in the Wuhan virology institute—and 2019-nCoV, arguing that the mutation rate may have been different as it passed through different hosts before humans. Ebright tells ScienceInsider that the 2019-nCoV data are “consistent with entry into the human population as either a natural accident or a laboratory accident.”
Shi did not reply to emails from Science, but her longtime collaborator, disease ecologist Peter Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance, dismissed Ebright’s conjecture. “Every time there’s an emerging disease, a new virus, the same story comes out: This is a spillover or the release of an agent or a bioengineered virus,” Daszak says. “It’s just a shame. It seems humans can’t resist controversy and these myths, yet it’s staring us right in the face. There’s this incredible diversity of viruses in wildlife and we’ve just scratched the surface. Within that diversity, there will be some that can infect people and within that group will be some that cause illness.”

[It is blatantly clear that we will never know how this virus breached the gap between animals and humans, or if it actually escaped accidentally from the lab. Chinese authorities are underplaying the severity of the outbreak and minimising it's danger as reported by chinese citizens. A regime that thinks nothing of downing a plane full of passengers to kill one person they dislike, is not one to be trusted. ]

Astounding convulsions in a thread about a virus, to introduce the shooting down an airliner with the objective of slurring one particular nation. There's plenty of evidence that regimes of all flavours are implicated in shooting down airliners.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...down_incidents

Every year an estimated 290,000 to 650,000 people die in the world due to complications from seasonal influenza (flu) viruses.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Originally Posted by Bros

Where did that gem come from?

#40 Did you give up before you got to the end?

Originally Posted by Bros

Where did that gem come from?

good question, with the posting style that Marc adopts it is hard to tell if/where his copy-pasta text from a external website stops and morphs into his own opinion.

and wasn't this covered in another thread?

it seemed quite important (at that time) that the correct attribution of quoted text to other people was necessary?

What do you know. Good on you pharmaboy2 ... for the rest, it is a well known convention to place a note or clarifying comment in square brackets to make it clear it is not part of the quote.
Besides in a scientific study about virus, a comment about the murderous nature of communism and allusion to the Byzantine nature of Chinese politics should be easy to detach from the text. Usually anyway. On the other hand ( the left one) allegiancies can be blinding.