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    Nah I'm a Practical Socialist; working for the common good at the expense of the greedy.
    Anybody earning money at a thousand times more than the national average should be taxed at 99 percent of the difference
    "A big boy did it and ran away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moondog55 View Post
    I don't think America really has a "Left" as we here in Australia understand it. Their "left" is far more moderate, what I would have termed a "Centrist"; I wonder what they'd make of some of our out & out communist trade unionists and the Far Left factions of the Labor party.
    What do you think Australians would think of the behaviour of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (American labour union) that makes donations to Sinn Fein that was, and maybe still is, the political wing of the IRA, a foreign terrorist group?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...d_of_Teamsters


    “The Teamsters Union also regularly makes an annual contribution to Friends of Sinn Féin—the US fundraising arm of Irish republican party Sinn Féin.”
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    Ultra right organisation and terrorist sympathisers, but one mans terrorist is another persons freedom fighter. That Oliver Cromwell sure has a lot to answer for. One thing the Irish are very good at is carrying a grudge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moondog55 View Post
    Nah I'm a Practical Socialist; working for the common good at the expense of the greedy.
    Anybody earning money at a thousand times more than the national average should be taxed at 99 percent of the difference
    "Greed" is very much a subjective concept because it assumes without any basis, knowing someone else's motives and goals, and applies a fabricated code of ethics plucked from thin air, to arbitrary label other's motives "evil". Very much like the vatican did for centuries with political opponents, early scientist, religious dissident and mentally ill.

    The idea that prosperity is evil when it goes above a certain "national average", and therefore should be confiscated is so wrong on so many levels that it is hard to believe someone can even express this concept with any vestige of sobriety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moondog55 View Post
    Ultra right organisation and terrorist sympathisers, but one mans terrorist is another persons freedom fighter. That Oliver Cromwell sure has a lot to answer for. One thing the Irish are very good at is carrying a grudge.
    So funding ISIS is ok if you share their political/religious beliefs?
    As for Oliver Cromwell; anyone who bans drinking, music and dancing would not get my vote. On the other hand he did turn the England into a republic.
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    Well I do fund Get-Up and the idiots in power seem to think that is a terrorist organisation.
    Now lets get back to real life and wishing the virus was gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moondog55 View Post
    Well I do fund Get-Up and the idiots ...
    Nuff said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moondog55 View Post
    Now lets get back to real life and wishing the virus was gone.
    Great idea

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    Mm ... wishing the virus gone and wishing confiscation of fellow citizens' income ... and "back to real life" in the same sentence? ... aren't you a pastry chef? Supposed to be suit and cuddly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UseByDate View Post
    What do you think Australians would think of the behaviour of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (American labour union) that makes donations to Sinn Fein that was, and maybe still is, the political wing of the IRA, a foreign terrorist group?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...d_of_Teamsters


    “The Teamsters Union also regularly makes an annual contribution to Friends of Sinn Féin—the US fundraising arm of Irish republican party Sinn Féin.”
    Well, Sinn Fein is a legit political party.

    According to Wikipedia ‘In the 2020 Irish general election, Sinn Féin received greatest number of first preference votes nationally (and in party's history). Although the party tried to form a coalition with the Labour Party and Social Democrats, a deal could not be agreed before Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and the Green Party formed a coalition of their own in June 2020.’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joynz View Post
    Well, Sinn Fein is a legit political party.

    According to Wikipedia ‘In the 2020 Irish general election, Sinn Féin received greatest number of first preference votes nationally (and in party's history). Although the party tried to form a coalition with the Labour Party and Social Democrats, a deal could not be agreed before Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and the Green Party formed a coalition of their own in June 2020.’.
    Of course it is a legitimate party. It would be illegal for the Brotherhood of International Teamsters to donate directly to the IRA. The Real Irish Republican Army has been declared a terrorist group by the UK, USA and New Zealand.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_F%C3%A9in

    “The original Sinn Féin organisation was founded in 1905 by Arthur Griffith, but has split substantially on a number of occasions since then, notably giving rise to the two traditionally dominant parties of southern Irish politics—Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael—in the aftermath of the Irish Civil War. The party took its current form in 1970 after another split (with the other faction eventually becoming the Workers' Party of Ireland).[10] It has historically been associated with the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA).[10] Mary Lou McDonald became party president in February 2018.”

    The Australian Government was at one time deliberating whether or not to make foreign donations to Australian political parties illegal. I am not sure if they did so. Do you think that foreign organisations should be allowed to openly manipulate our domestic politics?
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    Are you making a distinction between the real IRA and the provisional IRA, the provisional IRA is the one linked to Sinn Fein, and has renounced violence. The real IRA is a spin off from the provisional and remains violent as far as I know and took with it the nutters and uncompromising recalcitrants when it split.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnc View Post
    Are you making a distinction between the real IRA and the provisional IRA, the provisional IRA is the one linked to Sinn Fein, and has renounced violence. The real IRA is a spin off from the provisional and remains violent as far as I know and took with it the nutters and uncompromising recalcitrants when it split.
    The term Irish Republican Army (IRA) has been used by many groups. Sometimes one IRA splits and becomes two independent IRAs. Sometimes a new IRA forms with no connection with the existing IRA. Sometimes the IRA disappears only to be reformed many years later. Sometimes a new splinter group appears the does not use the term IRA at all. Some of the groups have endorsed and used violence and some are opposed to violence. The Provisional IRA did disarm but how many members simply move to another IRA?
    How many years have the Brotherhood of International Teamsters been donating to the Friends of Sinn Fein?
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    This invoice shows test kits were sent (costing millions) by The World Bank to Governments in 2017!!! ---- so they have known about it for a long time.
    They intend to keep lock-downs until everyone has the vaccine or April 2025. Nice.



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    Fake news? Covid-19 wasn’t named until 2019 not 2017.

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    Everything to do with this pandemic, including origin of the virus, method of dissemination, bleeding hearts wanting to help and global calls to action are all a bunch of lies of different degrees and nothing is worth believing. This falls in the same sack of "who knows". Everything is fake.

    it is better to try to bet who is behind this. Considering who benefits from it, could be a clue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    it is better to try to bet who is behind this. Considering who benefits from it, could be a clue.
    Please tell.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/co...19-tests-2018/

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    You are welcome to believe "snoops".

    The kit story may or may not be true. The name covid19 in that bill proves nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    The name covid19 in that bill proves nothing.
    Sure does it proves it is fake news

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    Providing you believe it was "named" in 2019. Sure that is the official story. Many "official" stories are fake. Like the "sanctity" of the pope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Providing you believe it was "named" in 2019. Sure that is the official story. Many "official" stories are fake. Like the "sanctity" of the pope.
    So you only believe in what you want regardless of other evidence.

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    Those kits are actually for monitoring the integrity of ventilator connections - so they are not specific at all to Covid-19, which is detected by a completely different process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Providing you believe it was "named" in 2019. Sure that is the official story. Many "official" stories are fake. Like the "sanctity" of the pope.
    You have strayed into fantasy, surely even you have to realise this is bull dust.

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    A name for the virus was not agreed until 11 Feb 2020 after an ongoing international debate for weeks about what it should be called.
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    True, if the official story is to be believed.
    There have been so many lies, and so much cloak and dagger than nothing can be believed anymore.
    When you have medical authorities punishing doctors who are experimenting successfully with cures and threatening with deregistration, one tends to become skeptical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moondog55 View Post
    Nah I'm a Practical Socialist; working for the common good at the expense of the greedy.
    Anybody earning money at a thousand times more than the national average should be taxed at 99 percent of the difference
    You should head over here to see how the tax system works https://www.renovateforum.com/f188/t...d-beer-128808/

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3nov8or View Post
    You should head over here to see how the tax system works https://www.renovateforum.com/f188/t...d-beer-128808/
    The only fair tax system is a flat rate where everyone, poor or rich, left handed or redhead, pays a fixed percentage, calculated so that it is tax revenue neutral. Probably something in the vicinity of 20% and no deduction of any sort after expenses are allowed. Those rich bastards you hate so much will actually pay 20%, and all the poor victims of everyone else's "greed" will have to pay 20% for a change. Best system ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    ... Those rich bastards you hate so much ...
    Who? me?

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    Neee, you know I don't mean you. It's a rhetorical sarcasm directed at the resident lefties.
    The limitations of the english language where you individual and you collective are the same word.
    I don't want to use the boganism "youse", or the US southernism "y'all"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Everything to do with this pandemic, including origin of the virus, method of dissemination, bleeding hearts wanting to help and global calls to action are all a bunch of lies of different degrees and nothing is worth believing. This falls in the same sack of "who knows". Everything is fake.

    it is better to try to bet who is behind this. Considering who benefits from it, could be a clue.
    5 seconds on google would figure out you've been scammed by idiots.

    https://apnews.com/article/afsontent:9392311632

    though to be fair conspiracists can actually be smart as well - its just that cognitive bias sets in early and they lose their skepticism about their own conspiracy.

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    The posts began circulating late last week using screenshots from a page on the WITS website that shows test kit exports by country. At the time the posts were first shared, the website said “COVID-19 Test kits (382200) exports by country” in 2017.
    The website has since clarified the information on the page to say that “data here track previously existing medical devices that are now classified by the World Customs Organization as critical to tackling COVID-19.” The World Bank confirmed to the AP that the products were available before COVID-19 for other uses, but have recently been designated to support COVID-19 efforts.
    Interesting. So not fake news, but a clarification.
    Its true ... but we have now re-classified pre existing medical devices that we will now use for covid19.
    Pull the other one!

    It was a weather balloon ...
    We bought a 16 bed mortuary truck for tasmania the year before the massacre just by coincidence.
    Lee Oswald acted alone
    It's all the fault of the Chinese

    Etc etc etc etc
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    Another bit of fake news is the continued announcements we will have a vaccine before the end of 2020, I think the vaccine is a long way off maybe 2022.

    We now have reports that people have been reinfected and i would have thought that catching of the virus would be the most effective vaccine but not recommended.

    Until then looks like we have to live (or die) with it.

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    There will never be a vaccine like we have for chickenpox, due to the nature of the virus.
    There Is an agenda attached to the urge to vaccinate the entire world population.

    The sad part of this story is that there could, or maybe there is already a cure, that does not include agonising in a ventilator. If 1/10 of the efforts dedicated to the vaccine was directed to find a cure, we would have one already. Obviously the rewards for a cure are minuscule when compared to the billions to be made with the vaccine.
    Medical authorities are threatening with deregistering those attempting to find a cure by themselves.
    Not fake news, I read the emails myself.

    This state of affairs can only be compared to the spanish inquisition and nazi germany pre WW2 all in one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Medical authorities are threatening with deregistering those attempting to find a cure by themselves.
    Not fake news, I read the emails myself.
    I don't doubt that, didn't the college of surgeons learn their tactics for the CFMEU?

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    I think it was from the nazional sozialist party records.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    I think it was from the nazional sozialist party records.
    Wherever your records came from Marc they've been scratched by being played at too many parties, forever endlessly repeating in your posts. Who or what controls and finances this pivotal control? It's not like it's Father Christmas who everyone knows is fake but plays along with for the kiddies, this is serious stuff. Despite your assertions, the truth can't be suppressed by an ad-hoc coalition of herded cats, goats, rats, politicians and medical researchers as you claim. They couldn't even agree on the best treatment for a cold, FFS!
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    Ha ha John, the only thing clear in your post is that you disagree with me. The rest is gobbledygook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Ha ha John, the only thing clear in your post is that you disagree with me.
    For the benefit of everyone, what is your tenet that I disagreed with?
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    Wishes are hopping and trees are west,
    what colour answer will suit you best?

    John, you seem to be a smart guy, yet you wander aimlessly between dissent and conformism, received opinion and discernment, acumen and deliberately obtuse.
    A real enigma
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    A real enigma
    Push my buttons and you'll never know what comes out.

    enigma.jpg

    I might be slow to grasp sometimes, but no, I am not intentionally or deliberately obtuse. Have you considered I may simply have possession of other abstruse information?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    Push my buttons and you'll never know what comes out.

    Alan Turing knew all.
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    a reasonable explanation, I thought, on vaccine development

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-.../12310814?nw=0

    In a worst-case scenario, we fail to develop a coronavirus vaccine, as we have with SARS and MERS. But the knowledge we gain along the way could change our health in ways we can’t even yet imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toooldforthis View Post
    a reasonable explanation, I thought, on vaccine development

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-.../12310814?nw=0
    Article is a bit dated, vaccines should be submitted for final approval next month. Some are already in mass production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilT2 View Post
    Article is a bit dated, vaccines should be submitted for final approval next month. Some are already in mass production.
    true, but the vaccine approaches explained in the article are still true?

    as for final approval, I am yet to see anything based on the science that says how effective they are... anyone got any links?

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    We are on the cusp of discovering whether we have a vaccine that works against coronavirus.


    Scientists had to start from scratch earlier this year, but now the results of major trials are expected in the coming weeks or months.

    What still needs to be done?



    • Trials need to show the vaccine is safe - it would not be useful if it caused more problems than the disease
    • Clinical trials will also need to show vaccines either stop people getting sick or at least reduce the number who die



    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51665497



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    Quote Originally Posted by toooldforthis View Post
    true, but the vaccine approaches explained in the article are still true?

    as for final approval, I am yet to see anything based on the science that says how effective they are... anyone got any links?
    This are uncharted waters, no one knows, even successful trials will be dubious. Will we ever know if the antibodies are generated due to the vaccine, or the eagerness to make a few billions, add a genetic marker to the world population or let them die believing they are now immune?

    I liked the explanation about vaccines, particularly the characterisation of common vaccines as "old school" implying that the new methods are "better", and the language choice that implies we are all idiots and need to be treated like children with low IQ.
    That is how the morons in charge see us, and those are the scientist who serve them.
    This past year and the few to come will go down in history as revelations ... that is the revelation of the human character. Nothing to be proud of.
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    Just looking at TV tonight and they don't expect that the vaccine (if it gets approved) wont be available to Australians until the end of 2021.

    Joe public seems to approve of all the border closures as there has been three elections NT, NZ and QLD and they have all returned the current politicians who have take a tough stance on Covid-19.

    USA will be interesting where the current politician never took a tough stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    Just looking at TV tonight and they don't expect that the vaccine (if it gets approved) wont be available to Australians until the end of 2021.

    Joe public seems to approve of all the border closures as there has been three elections NT, NZ and QLD and they have all returned the current politicians who have take a tough stance on Covid-19.

    USA will be interesting where the current politician never took a tough stand.

    i don't know enough about the vaccine manufacturing process to say how long it takes but we seem to be able to produce a flu vac every year on short notice. My understanding is that we will make the vaccine here in Aus when one is approved. And that is expected to happen this month.
    Labor not only returned on Sat but also with an increased majority, mostly at the expense of One Nation and Palmer. The Greens gained a seat due to issues in one electorate but overall their vote increased very little. They were hoping for a gain similar to the ACT election but it never eventuated.

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    I have recently read we could have the vaccine by April if approved but not have sufficient doses for the entire country until the end of 2021. Most likely neither of those positions are correct but the Federal government has been trying to lock in early access with the companies creating the vaccine. I see we are also looking at providing our Pacific neighbours with the vaccine as well.

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    I'll be happy if there is sufficient vaccine for health care workers and the emergency services first. I suspect tho that politicians will be first in line at that particular trough as per normal political practice.
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