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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    As long as you "trust" humans to do the right thing there will always be someone who will do the wrong thing.

    We will never get rid of this virus while people come into the country from the rest of the world because its running rampant outside Australia.
    The gov't has to be very diligent with ANYONE entering the country that they must mandatory isolate or we will just keep going around in circles
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    A comprehensive explanation of the role of vitamin D in respiratory disease and the capacity to overcome covid.
    Particularly interesting is the role of age, skin colour and obesity. I found the role of HFCS ( high fructose corn syrup) an additive used by the food industry in just about any food, in deactivating vitamin D particularly interesting.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2mLz-Xdpg

    If you don't have the patience to listen and understand, here it is in a nutshell ... get a blood test for vitamin D levels and take fish oil and vitamin D supplements.
    If you get sick, take vitamin D that does not require to be metabolised by the liver, that is Calcifediol.
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    I take fish oil as when I had cataract surgery the surgeon said there is some research that fish oil helps even though it is not fully proved to eye health so it can't hurt to take one daily

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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    As long as you "trust" humans to do the right thing there will always be someone who will do the wrong thing.

    We will never get rid of this virus while people come into the country from the rest of the world because its running rampant outside Australia.
    The gov't has to be very diligent with ANYONE entering the country that they must mandatory isolate or we will just keep going around in circles
    There pointing the finger at flight crews and they could be right as they are only relying on their word and with those based overseas and just having a stay in Australia until the return job why should they care about Australia as they don't live here.
    A rather stupid decision by the government where passengers were in guarded accommodation and air crew could come and go as they please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    There pointing the finger at flight crews and they could be right as they are only relying on their word and with those based overseas and just having a stay in Australia until the return job why should they care about Australia as they don't live here.
    A rather stupid decision by the government where passengers were in guarded accommodation and air crew could come and go as they please.
    Agree, the public here have been doing the right thing be it in Sydney, Melbourne, SA or wherever.
    It annoys me if we keep getting community transmissions from overseas due to stupid mistakes or lack of care.

    The genome testing has said it's the American strain, so looks to be from some sort of quarantine breach or as you say flight crew, which is most likely.
    Now we will all have to pay again for someones stupidity.

    Was watching a doco and there has been some emails released in the last day or so that showed the Trump administration were actively going for herd Immunity, which could explain a lot of whats happened over there, Sweden tried it with disastrous results so has the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UseByDate View Post
    It is quite normal to get adverse reactions from vaccines. I have no allergies. Whenever I have a vaccine or injected drug I am told to wait for ten minutes before leaving. This is to make sure I have no adverse reaction. Influenza vaccine has been around for many years and I have taken it for many years but there is still a chance of an adverse reaction even with a tried and tested vaccine. The two people in the UK that had the adverse reaction did need medical treatment but recovered within 24 hours.
    Exactly!

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    Here we go again, I am not in the covid zone as yet but just back from Coles and toilet paper cleaned out, so was my fav breakfast cerial

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    I wonder if we can learn something comparing graphs of covid infections and toilet paper sales? is there a relation? Perhaps virus induced paper rolls hoarding syndrome?
    Would suppressing toilet paper from all shops provoque a suppression of the virus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    I wonder if we can learn something comparing graphs of covid infections and toilet paper sales? is there a relation? Perhaps virus induced paper rolls hoarding syndrome?
    Would suppressing toilet paper from all shops provoque a suppression of the virus?
    Food for thoughts ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    Here we go again, I am not in the covid zone as yet but just back from Coles and toilet paper cleaned out, so was my fav breakfast cerial

    Go to Woolies they have planty.

    I just don't get it with the simpletons and the toilet paper thing,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    I wonder if we can learn something comparing graphs of covid infections and toilet paper sales? is there a relation? Perhaps virus induced paper rolls hoarding syndrome?
    Would suppressing toilet paper from all shops provoque a suppression of the virus?
    Food for thoughts ...
    Perhaps the virus is being deliberately spread by the toilet paper manufacturers to boost sales ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    Go to Woolies they have planty.
    Wasn't needing toilet paper but when I saw how depleted paper towels were I had a look where toilet paper normally is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    I wonder if we can learn something comparing graphs of covid infections and toilet paper sales?
    There's a graph for everything. Countries where bidets are common didn't get the runs on toilet paper. (This must be a US graph as 'bath' paper is what's used in the bathroom AKA toilet.)



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    Hum ... I see no correlation. Yet the covid data seems wrong. No cases in China, Japan and Indonesia? Pull the other one.

    One thing I felt strong about since the air crew spread the aids virus, is that we can do without them. "No flight crew" should be advertised by airlines as a new gain and a way to lower airfare. No food, and no pretentious morons of moral turpitude. I look forward to that. They can always go work in Hamburg's shop windows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Hum ... I see no correlation. Yet the covid data seems wrong. No cases in China, Japan and Indonesia? Pull the other one.

    One thing I felt strong about since the air crew spread the aids virus, is that we can do without them. "No flight crew" should be advertised by airlines as a new gain and a way to lower airfare. No food, and no pretentious morons of moral turpitude. I look forward to that. They can always go work in Hamburg's shop windows.
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    This research indicated you are incorrect re. spread of AIDS via airline staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Hum ... I see no correlation. Yet the covid data seems wrong. No cases in China, Japan and Indonesia? Pull the other one.

    One thing I felt strong about since the air crew spread the aids virus, is that we can do without them. "No flight crew" should be advertised by airlines as a new gain and a way to lower airfare. No food, and no pretentious morons of moral turpitude. I look forward to that. They can always go work in Hamburg's shop windows.
    Better get some new medication.

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    Bros, your insults do not make you look more clever, I think they have the opposite effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Bros, your insults do not make you look more clever, I think they have the opposite effect.
    Hardly, your post is incoherent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    ... air crew ... we can do without them. "No flight crew" should be advertised by airlines as a new gain and a way to lower airfare. No food, and no pretentious morons of moral turpitude. I look forward to that. ....
    I also look forward to airlines disabling reclining seats for any flight under 4 hours, but I don't think it's going to happen

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    In fact that has already happened a long time ago with some japanese airlines decking out 400 economy seats with no reclining.
    As for no frills flights that is also a reality in some european airlines, no air crew, no food or drinks.

    For me, after ten years working for an airline in the nineties, and witnessing the behaviour of aircrew, there are no surprises as to what they do and what they get away with. Their presence is an exercise in futility, a cameo in poor taste that ads nothing but cost to the trip. Eliminating them will reduce the fuel bill, and take away nothing from the passengers comfort. The sooner they are gone, the better.
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    To vaccinate or not... (the following unashamedly stolen from someone else):

    I once almost choked to death while eating food. I did my own research and discovered that I am not alone. Thousands of people choke every year while eating, and hundreds of those people die. That's why I don't feed my kids. It's dangerous. Now plenty of people will point out that food supposedly "prevents starvation," and that might be true, but it's not fair to completely ignore all of the dangers food poses, like choking, allergies, gingivitis, and garlic breath. I'm just saying, do your own research and decide what you think is best for your kids. If you choose to give your kids potentially deadly food, that's your problem, but as a parent, I don't think the government has any right to tell me that I need to feed my kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    In fact that has already happened a long time ago with some japanese airlines decking out 400 economy seats with no reclining.
    As for no frills flights that is also a reality in some european airlines, no air crew, no food or drinks.

    For me, after ten years working for an airline in the nineties, and witnessing the behaviour of aircrew, there are no surprises as to what they do and what they get away with. Their presence is an exercise in futility, a cameo in poor taste that ads nothing but cost to the trip. Eliminating them will reduce the fuel bill, and take away nothing from the passengers comfort. The sooner they are gone, the better.
    Would make a 14 hour flight a bit uncomfortable seeing as you can't bring food or drink onboard, and how do you deal with medical emergencies or feral passangers relying on just your fellow passangers.

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    Not to bring food or drinks is easily changed. BYO and that is settled.

    As for medical emergencies and feral passengers, crew members are mostly useless in emergencies, in fact they are most of the time a hindrance and add to the problem. A nurse and a marshall are just two people that could be useful on long flights, the rest are just a bad act.

    The problem as I see it is that airlines think of themselves as flying hotels or flying restaurants, a relique of the past when flying was a luxury.
    The reality is that aircrafts are just glorified busses, purely for transportation from A to B. Not very glamorous. The army of courtesans that pumper the passengers is stupid and a misplaced need for self importance.
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    These contact tracers do an amazing job to get this information out to the public, it will be interesting to see how many cases we get.

    When you look at the potential places to have come into contact, the numbers could grow quite quick.

    I noticed that airline staff will now be treated the same as everyone else, they will be met by police upon arrival and be escorted to the quarantine hotels.
    They will no longer be able to stay where they usually do, or be allowed out to do whatever they want.

    About time, the last two outbreaks in NSW were caused by careless flight staff, as someone said, why should they care.
    They are only here for a few days then fly out again, if they are infected and infect someone here they don't live or work here so it doesn't affect them.

    They have said the latest strain in the UK is having a 70% more transmission rate than the original strain.
    Here is the list of locations in NSW for possible corona transmission - Northern Beaches outbreak.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...case-locations

    List of case locations in NSW

    People who have attended the following venues are considered close contacts and should get tested immediately and isolate for 14 days after they were last there, even if they receive a negative result:

    • Avalon: Anytime Fitness on Avalon Parade, anyone who attended the gym on any day on or after Tuesday 8 December is considered a close contact and should get tested immediately and self-isolate for 14 days after they were last at the gym. Additionally, anyone who attended the gym between Monday 23 November and Monday 7 December is advised to get tested and self-isolate until they receive a negative result
    • Avalon Beach: Surf Club, Tuesday, 15 December,8.30am to 9am
    • Avalon Beach: Avalon Beach RSL club, Friday 11 December at any time; Monday 14 December, 6pm-8pm
    • Avalon Beach: Avalon Bowlo (bowling club), Sunday 13 December, 5pm to 7pm and Tuesday 15 December, 3pm to 5pm
    • Avalon Beach: Bangkok Sidewalk Restaurant, Monday 14 December,
      7pm to 8pm
    • Avalon Beach: Barramee Thai Massage and Spa, Monday 14 December,
      2pm to 3.30pm
    • Avalon Beach Oceana Traders – Seafood Merchants, anyone who dined in any time from Monday 14 December until Thursday 17 December
    • Avalon Beach: Sneaky Grind Café, Monday 14 December, 9.30am to 11am
    • Avalon Beach: Sunset Diner, Friday 11 December, 6.30pm to 8pm
    • Cronulla: Pilgrims Vegetarian Café, Wednesday 16 December 11.30am to 2.30pm. Anyone who was at the café during this time for one hour or more must be tested immediately and isolate until 30 December. Other patrons should monitor for symptoms, and get tested immediately if they appear.
    • Cronulla: Cronulla RSL Club, Wednesday 16 December, 5pm to closing time. Anyone who was at the RSL at this time must get tested and isolate until further notice. Close contacts will need to isolate until 30 December.
    • Crows Nest: BoThai, 16 Willoughby Road, Sunday 13 December, 4:30pm – 5:30pm
    • Double Bay: Twenty-One Espresso, 21 Knox Street, Any staff working on Tuesday 15 December, and patrons seated in the indoor section on that day for more than 1 hour between 7.10pm and 8.15pm and 8.25pm and 9.10pm
    • Erskineville: Rose of Australia, Tuesday 15 December, 7pm – 8.45pm
    • Forster: Café Toscano (outdoor verandah area), Wednesday 16 December, 6pm-7:45pm
    • Freshwater: G Fitness, Tuesday 15 December, 11am-12.45pm
    • Kirribilli: Kirribilli Club, Monday14 December, 12pm to 3pm
    • Lane Cove: Hair by Erika, Village Shopping Centre, Friday 11 December, 2.30 – 4:30pm
    • Manly: Manly Skiff Club, Corner of East Esplanade and Stuart Street, Saturday 12 December, 12pm – 2.30pm
    • Manly: Donny’s Bar, 7 Market Place, Saturday 12 December, 3:15pm – 9pm
    • Manly: Old Manly Boat Shed, 40 The Corso, Saturday 12 December, 9pm – 12:30am
    • Manly: Garfish Seafood Restaurant, 39 East Esplanade, Thursday 17 December, 6.45pm-10pm
    • Mona Vale: Anytime Fitness,Thursday 17 December, 9.50am-12.45pm
    • Mona Vale: Pearly Nails, 2/6 Waratah Street, Monday 14 December, 4:30pm – 5:30pm
    • Mona Vale: Mona Vale Golf Club (bar and function room), 3 Golf Avenue, Wednesday 16 December, 5pm – 10pm
    • Mona Vale: Pittwater RSL, Wednesday 16 December, 8pm – 10pm
    • Narrabeen: The Sands, Tuesday 15 December, 6pm-8pm
    • Narrabeen: The Boatshed Café & Bar, Lower Level, Monday 14 December, 2pm – 3pm
    • Neutral Bay: Café Junior, Woolworths Neutral Bay Village, 1-7 Rangers Road, Sunday 13 December, 12:45pm – 2.30pm
    • Newport: 4 Pines, Wednesday 16 December, 4.30pm-9pm
    • Newport: Rusti Fig Café, Saturday 12 December, 9am – 10:30am
    • Newport: Sankaku Izakaya, Thursday 17 December, 2:30pm – 3:30pm
    • Paddington: Salon X, 86 William Street, Wednesday 16 December, 9am – 6pm and Thursday 17 December, 9am – 8pm
    • Palm Beach: Palm Beach female change rooms, Sunday 13 December,
      9am – 9.15am
    • Palm Beach: Coast Palm Beach Café, Sunday 13 December, 10am – 11am
    • Penrith: Penrith RSL Club, Sunday 13 December,1pm – 6pm
    • St Peters: Sydney Trapeze School, Tuesday 15 December, 10am – 12pm (only staff and patrons who attended the class for beginners)
    • Surry Hills: Nomad restaurant, Wednesday 16 December, 12:45pm – 2pm
    • Surry Hills: Strawberry Hills Hotel, Wednesday 16 December, 3:30pm-6pm
    • Turramurra: Salon of Hair Turramurra, Anytime from Tuesday 15 December to Friday 18 December, 9:30am – 3:30 pm
    • Woolloomoolo: Sienna Marina, Friday 11 December, 12pm to 2pm. Anyone who spent one hour or longer at the restaurant at this time must get tested and isolate until December 25. Other patrons should monitor for symptoms, and isolate and get tested immediately if symptoms appear

    Anyone who was at the following venues on the dates and times below should get tested immediately and self-isolate until NSW Health provides further information:

    • Berowra: Anytime Fitness Berowra, Wednesday, 16 December, 5.30am-6.30am; Thursday, 17 December, 30am-6.30am
    • Mount Colah: Asquith Golf Course, Tuesday, 15 December, 6.30am-10.30m
    • Hornsby: Aura Threading and Beauty Hornsby, Thursday, 17 December 10am-1.20pm
    • Avalon Beach: Nourished Cafe and Lounge, Sunday, 13 December10am-11am
    • Avalon Beach: Avalon Beach RSL, Sunday, 13 December 8.30pm-9.15pm
    • Avalon Beach: Avalon Bowling Club, Tuesday, 15 December 6pm-8.30pm
    • Avalon: Avalon Recreation Centre, Thursday, 17 December 11.50am-5.20pm
    • Avalon: Barramee Thai Massage and Spa, Wednesday, 16 December 2pm-3.3pm
    • Mona Vale: Bayview Golf Club, Monday, 7 December 11.45am-12.45pm; Tuesday, 8 December 11.45am-12.45pm; Friday, 11 December 11.45am-12.45pm
    • Belrose: Bunnings Belrose, Thursday, 17 December 4pm-5pm
    • Newport: ChaRice Noodle Bar, Wednesday, 16 December 1pm-2.30pm
    • Mona Vale: Coffee Brothers Mona Vale, Saturday, 12 December 12pm-1pm
    • Newport: Coles, Friday, 18 December 9am-10am
    • Newport: Lovat Restaurant, Friday, 11 December 6.30pm-8.30pm
    • Mona Vale: Dan Murphy Mona Vale, Thursday, 17 December 5pm-6pm
    • Warriewood: KFC Mona Vale, Friday, 18 December 12pm-1pm
    • Milsons Point: Kirribilli Hotel, Thursday, 17 December 12.45pm-3pm
    • Macquarie Park: Macquarie Shopping Centre (various), Sunday, 13 December 11am-1pm
    • North Sydney: Wednesday, Mr Green & Co, 16 December 1pm-2pm

    People who have visited the following venues are considered casual contacts and should get tested immediately and self-isolate until they receive a negative result:

    • Artarmon: Roof Racks World, 15 December, 2pm – 2.30pm
    • Alexandria: Cortex Gym – Strength and Conditioning Class, Tuesday, 15 December
    • Avalon: Anytime Fitness on Avalon Parade, anyone who attended the gym between Monday 23 November and Monday 7 December
    • Avalon: Nourished Wholefood Café, 12 December, 7.30-7.40am
    • Avalon: Careel Bay Dog Park and Hitchcock Park, 16 December 7am-7.30am
    • Avalon: Hungry Ghost Café, 13 and 15 December, 9.30am – 11am
    • Avalon Beach: Chillbar, Monday, 14 December, 10.30am-11.30am; Wednesday, 16 December 10.30am-11.30am
    • Avalon Beach: Surf Life Saving Club, 13, 14 and 15 December, 9-9.30am
    • Avalon Beach: Commonwealth Bank, 47 Avalon Parade, 15 December, 12 – 12.15pm
    • Avalon Beach Oceana Traders – Seafood Merchants, anyone who purchased takeaway from Monday 14 December until Thursday 17 December
    • Avalon Beach: Woolworths, Sunday 13 December, 12pm – 5pm; 14 December 5pm – 5.30pm and Tuesday 15 December, 12pm – 12.30pm
    • Avalon Beach: North Avalon Cellars, 15 December, 6pm – 6.05pm
    • Avalon Beach: Oliver’s Pies, Careel Shopping Village, Monday 14 December,
      9am to 9.15am
    • Avalon Beach: Avalon Beach Post Shop, 16 December 3.30pm to 3.50pm
    • Avalon Beach, Mitre 10, 15 December, 12pm to 12.20pm
    • Avalon Beach: Chemist Warehouse, 14 December 5.20pm to 5.25pm
    • Avalon Beach: Sabiang Thai Restaurant, 13 December, 6-8pm
    • Avalon Beach: Café Relish, 8/1 N Avalon Rd, Avalon Beach: Thursday 17 December, 10.30am – 11.30am
    • Avalon Beach: Nourished Wholefood Café, 17 Avalon Parade, Saturday 12 December, 7.15am-7.30am
    • Belrose: Nick Scali at SuperCentre, 4/6 Niangala Cl, Belrose, 16 December, 10am-5.30pm
    • Bondi Junction: Westfield Bondi Junction, 15 December, 1pm-2.30pm
    • Brookvale: Warringah Mall: Wednesday 16 December, 11.40am – 1.30pm
    • Brookvale: High Tek Aquarium, 732 Pittwater Rd, Wednesday 16 December, 1.55pm – 2.55pm
    • Cronulla: Cronulla Mall, 6 Cronulla Street, Tuesday 15 December, 8pm – 9pm and Wednesday 16 December, 3pm – 6pm
    • Cronulla: Paris Seafood Café, 15 December, 8.30-9pm
    • Cronulla: Cronulla Mall, 15 December, 8-9pm and 16 December, 11am-12pm
    • Darling Point: RAN Sailing Association, Navy Bear Café and Christmas party, 13 December, 10:30am‑4:45pm
    • Dee Why: Dee Why Fruit Market, 15 December, 4.45pm – 4.55pm
    • Dee Why: HongFa BBQ Restaurant, 15 December 4.30pm – 4.45pm
    • Double Bay: Twenty-One Espresso, Any patrons who were in the restaurant for less than 1 hour, or those who sat in the outdoor area on Tuesday 15 December between 7.10pm – 8.15pm and 8.25pm – 9.10pm
    • Eveleigh: Seven West Media Building, 14 December, 8-11.30am
    • Erskineville: Rose of Australia, Tuesday 15 December, 7pm until closing
    • Forster: Beach Bums Café, Wednesday 16 December, 8am – 9am and Thursday 17 December, 8am–9am
    • Homebush: Harris Farm Warehouse, Flemington Markets, Tuesday 15 December, 2am- 11am, Wednesday 16 December, 2am – 11am, Thursday 17 December, 2am- 1pm
    • Manly: Manly Wharf Bar, East Esplanade, Saturday 12 December, 2:45pm – 3:15pm
    • Manly: The Steyne Hotel, 75 The Corso, Thursday 17 December, 3pm – 7pm
    • Mona Vale: Bing Lee, Monday 14 December,4.30pm to 4.45pm
    • Mona Vale: Aldi, 13 Bungan St, 13 December, 12.45pm to 1.30pm
    • Mona Vale: Harris Farm, Mona Vale Plaza, 14 December, 11-11.10am
    • Mona Vale: Mitre 10, Tuesday 15 December, 8:30am – 5:30pm and Wednesday 16 December, 8:30am – 5:30pm
    • Mona Vale: Woolworths, 25/29 Park St, Sunday 13 December, 12pm to 12.30pm
    • Mona Vale: Fitness First Mona Vale, Pittwater Place Shopping Centre, 10 Park Street Mona Vale: Sunday 13 December, 2pm – 4pm; Monday 14 December, all day; Wednesday 16 December, all day
    • Mona Vale: Mona Vale Golf Club, 3 Golf Avenue, Wednesday 16 December, 11am – 5pm
    • Newport: Coles Newport, 11 December, 5-7pm, and 12 December, 3.15-3.30pm
    • Newport: Restaurant Lovat, 12 December, 2.15-2.25pm and 4.10-4.15pm
    • Newport: 4 Pines, Newport, 313 Barrenjoey Rd, Newport: Tuesday 15 December, 6pm-10pm and Wednesday 16 December 4:30pm-9pm
    • Newport: Restaurant Lovat, G04/316-324 Barrenjoey Rd, Saturday 12 December 2:15pm–2:25pm and 4pm–4:15pm
    • Newport: Bowan Island Bakery, Friday 18 December, 9am-9.30am.
    • North Narrabeen: Brot and Wurst, 16 December, 2pm-2.05pm
    • Palm Beach: Palm Beach rockpool, 14 December, 9:30-10:30am; 16 December, 8am-9am
    • Palm Beach: 2108 Espresso, Monday 14 December, 8am–9am
    • Peakhurst: Gannons Park, Forest Rangers FC, Little Rangers session, Friday 11 December, 4.30pm to 5.30pm. Any adults who were present should get tested immediately and self-isolate until they receive a negative result.
    • Raymond Terrace: McDonald’s Raymond Terrace, Tuesday 15 December, 11.45am-12.15pm
    • Riverstone: Blend @ Grantham Café, 16 December, 11-11.45am
    • Riverwood: Woolworths, Riverwood Plaza, 247 Belmore Road, Wednesday 9 December, 3pm–3:35pm
    • Roseberry: Mentmore & Morley Café and public toilets, 14 December 10am-3pm
    • St Peters: Sydney Trapeze School, Tuesday 15 December, any class after 10am
    • Surry Hills: Cuckoo Callay on Crown, Tuesday 15 December, 11am – 12pm
    • Terrey Hills: Hills Florist, 12 December, 8-8.45am – close contacts have been contacted directly by NSW Health
    • Terrey Hills: Forest Way Fruit Market, 16 December, 4-4.10pm
    • Warriewood: Northern Beaches Indoor Sports Centre, Tuesday 15 December, 6.30pm-9.30pm
    • Warriewood: Flower Power, Friday 18 December, 8.45am-9.30am

    Confirmed cases travelled on the following transport services. Other passengers are considered to be casual contacts, and should get tested and isolate until a negative result is received.

    • Train from Roseville to Redfern, 14 December, 6.50am to 7.40am
    • Train from Redfern to Milsons Point, 14 December, 11.20am to 11.45am
    • Train from Milsons Point to Roseville, 14 December, 3.15pm to 3.40pm
    • Ferry from Palm Beach to Wagstaffe, 16 December, 6.15pm-6.35pm
    • Train from Artarmon to Wynyard, 14 December, 8:27am to 8:49am
    • Train from Wynyard to Artarmon, 14 December, 6:42pm to 7:01pm
    • Train from Artarmon to Wynyard, 15 December, 9:17am to 9:38am
    • Train from St James to Erskineville, 15 December, 6:34pm to 6:48pm
    • Train from Erskineville to Central Station, 16 December, 7:03am to 7:12am

    Forest Coach Lines buses between Forestville and the CBD

    • Route 273, 15 December, departing Jamieson Square, Forestville, 7.10am and arriving QVB, 8am
    • Route 271, 15 December, departing QVB 5.25pm and arriving Austlink Business Park Belrose 6.28pm
    • Route 273, 16 December, departing Jamieson Square, Forestville 7.10am and arriving QVB, CBD, 8am
    • Route 271, 16 December, departing QVB 5.25pm and arriving Austlink Business Park Belrose, 6.28pm

    Pittwater buses between Warriewood and Wynard Station

    • Route B1-1, 14 December, departing Warriewood BLine, Pittwater Rd 6.55am, arriving Wynyard Station, York Street Stand M, 7.50am
    • Route B1-2, 14 December, departing Wynyard Station Stand B 5.45pm, arriving Warriewood BLine, Pittwater Rd, 6.40pm
    • Route B1-1, 15 December, departing Warriewood BLine, Pittwater Rd 6.35am, arriving Wynyard Station stand M, 7.35am
    • Route B1-2, 15 December, departing Wynyard Station Stand B 5.25pm, arriving Warriewood BLine, Pittwater Rd, 6.20pm
    • Route B1-1, 16 December 2020, departing Warriewood BLine, Pittwater Rd, arriving Wynyard Station Stand M, 7.35am
    • Route B1-2, 16 December 2020, departing Wynyard Station Stand B 4.45pm, arriving Warriewood BLine, Pittwater Rd, 5.30pm

    The following bus routes between Newport and Avalon Beach:

    • Bus Route 199, Saturday 12 December, departing Newport Hotel, Kalinya Street, 7am arriving Avalon Beach, 7.15am
    • Bus Route 199, Saturday 12 December, departing Avalon Beach 12.20am, arriving Newport Hotel, Kalinya Street, 12.45am

    The following bus route from Palm Beach to Manly Beach:

    • Bus route 199, Saturday 12 December, 10.10am- 11.30am.

    The following bus route from Rosebery to Martin Place:

    • Bus Route 304, Wednesday 16 December, departing Bourke Street (opposite Lachlan Street) Rosebery, 7.46am and arriving Martin Place Station Stand C, 8.11am
    • Bus Route 199, Thursday 17 December, departing Bourke Street (opposite Lachlan Street) Rosebery, 8.05am and arriving Martin Place Station Stand C, 8.30am
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    Suspicions grow that nanoparticles in Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine (and Covid-19 vaccines of other companies using similar technology) trigger rare allergic reactions. The same nanoparticles are used in some other medications. It is feared that an immune reaction to a drug that has these nanoparticles might be priming the immune system of the recipients and thus causing an anaphylactic shock when another medication, in this case a Covid-19 vaccine, is introduced into the body.

    This is the problem with rushing vaccines with unknown contraindications to market. (It is interesting to note that people with previous anaphylactic shock episodes were excluded from Covid-19 vaccine trials!) What if people once vaccinated with one of these Covid-19 vaccines subsequently cannot be safely given hundreds of other life-saving medications? It is not possible at this time to exclude that possibility.

    Covid-19 is trying to tell the human race something, and shooting the messenger is not going to save the human race from future pandemics or more of the 'diseases of affluence' epidemics* currently afflicting 'advanced' countries like Australia. (*E.g: allergies, chemical sensitivities, asthma, gluten intolerance, obesity, renal failure, etc, etc, illnesses which were virtually non-existent when I was born.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    Suspicions grow that nanoparticles in Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine (and Covid-19 vaccines of other companies using similar technology) trigger rare allergic reactions.
    And where does this gem come from, great if you divulged your sources by a link or two

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    And where does this gem come from, great if you divulged your sources by a link or two
    Here you go, links a plenty: Any more without links go in the bin

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    Bit hard to understand the government health authorities are promoting testing but when people front up they are presented with a 2+ hour wait.
    In Brisbane yesterday only one clinic open then they shut up shop and told those waiting to come back tomorrow.

    It is not hard to see why some infected people are slipping between the cracks.

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    It would seem the great Australian Christmas shutdown is at play, not an excuse though, it also seems to be a problem for both NSW and Vic, testing is crucial to keeping on top of covid along with contact tracing from what we are being told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    Bit hard to understand the government health authorities are promoting testing but when people front up they are presented with a 2+ hour wait.
    In Brisbane yesterday only one clinic open then they shut up shop and told those waiting to come back tomorrow.

    It is not hard to see why some infected people are slipping between the cracks.
    Correct, these clinics should be open 24/7 to get bulk testing done ASAP.

    NSW was able to do 270,000+ tests last week and another 139,000 so far this week.
    This is why WA and QLD keep closing the borders as the rumours are the health systems are inadequate to cope with any major outbreaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnc View Post
    It would seem the great Australian Christmas shutdown is at play, not an excuse though, it also seems to be a problem for both NSW and Vic, testing is crucial to keeping on top of covid along with contact tracing from what we are being told.
    Queensland no different.

    Just heard on the news Victoria clinics have opened and are overwhelmed, defies logic when they want people to get tested and they can't get tested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnc View Post
    It would seem the great Australian Christmas shutdown is at play, not an excuse though, it also seems to be a problem for both NSW and Vic, testing is crucial to keeping on top of covid along with contact tracing from what we are being told.
    We are still waiting to find out how the outbreak got into the Northern Beaches.

    The health minister at that time blamed two of the band members that were playing the night of the outbreak.
    This has blown up into a social media argument, the band members said they were all covid free when they went to the RSL, and actually caught it while there.

    So we are still waiting to hear where it came from, we know it's from a US strain, but how did it get out of quarantine and into the general public ?
    These outbreaks will continue while we have return travellers bringing the virus back with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    These outbreaks will continue while we have return travellers bringing the virus back with them.
    Agreed, outbreaks will continue to occure as long as unwitting carriers move the virus around. Allowing population movements will result in outbreaks like the recent ones. There's nothing to indicate yet that 2021 is going to be different to 2020, with or without a vaccine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    So we are still waiting to hear where it came from, we know it's from a US strain, but how did it get out of quarantine and into the general public ?
    Weren't they blaming airline crew, has this theory now been discarded?

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    We had flu vaccine from 1938, yet the flu is still among us.
    As long as cures are suppressed or ridiculed rather then researched, and vaccines pushed into obscene mega business with several side agendas, nothing will change.
    And perhaps that is the objective. After all politicians around the world have what they always dreamed of. Extra abuse of power, population poor, scared and desperate waiting for a "saviour"
    I am waiting for the Covid tax, the suppression of paper cash, and new more creative ways of confiscating private property.
    2021 will be a peach.
    The only positive i can see is that the demented criminal proposed for US president will be thrown out and hopefully in gaol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    The only positive i can see is that the demented criminal proposed for US president will be thrown out and hopefully in gaol.
    I've still got those unicorns for sale. just send your money and I'll ship them. What was your address again? Somewhere on Fantasy Island?

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    I suppose that you mean to say that the aforementioned demented criminal is the elected president and will serve a term.
    No point arguing over what will happen. Only 3 days to go.
    You should ease off the lefty fake news, you will get an indigestion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    I suppose that you mean to say that the aforementioned demented criminal is the elected president
    We certainly know who is the demented criminal.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...555_story.html

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    i agree ... after all dementia is not his fault.
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    President Trump was on-track to have publicly stated or made 25,000 lies and falsehoods by election time and probably did.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ng-claims-day/
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    That's a no contest - 46 minutes versus 70 years of Donald Trump talking nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    That's a no contest - 46 minutes versus 70 years of Donald Trump talking nonsense.
    happened to watch him talk briefly in georgia today - it was just a stream of babble - like something from a small child, and i'm pretty sure its getting worse. Shame to see a stable genius so reduced.

    Still, he's able to convince many people he has something to offer.

    IN other on topic news, Dan Andrews must be spewing that NSW seems to have controlled things without follwoing his demands of what they should do.

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    I think the premiers like to boss each other around on Covid, there are good reasons to wear masks, apparently the right wing nutters in the NSW LNP couldn’t cope so that is why no mandated masks

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    For me I notice the mask can become moist from breath, so can that mean a nice environment for the virus to breed if near any airborne virus.... my lips make contact with that moisture!

    I am not anti masks but that does worry me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    For me I notice the mask can become moist from breath, so can that mean a nice environment for the virus to breed if near any airborne virus.... my lips make contact with that moisture!
    The advice for infection control using a mask is to discard and replace the mask every four hours and don't touch it, or if you do touch it discard and replace it immediately.
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    "Masks are useless ... the virus is way smaller than the spaces between thread so it passes straight through ... " Or words to that effect.
    Aah those were the days when I advocated mask use and everyone lectured me of their complete uselessness.

    Now it is mask bashing time, NO MASK NO ENTRY ... are you wearing a mask? Yes you, on the other side of that screen, mask up before you read !!!!
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    The primary purpose of mandatory masks is to discourage people leaving their home, and if they do, to minimise their movement and go home again. The virus doesn't move unless we do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Aah those were the days when I advocated mask use and everyone lectured me of their complete uselessness.
    You've made that statement a few times in this forum, yet I don't recall anyone in this forum disputing the effectiveness of masks.

    On another topic, I think hand sanitising is overblown for two reasons: firstly hand sanitisers have routinely been shown to be ineffective at controlling viruses and bacteria on hands in actual usage patterns by real people; and secondly it is clear that the predominant mechanism for the spread Covid-19 virus is aerosols - not contact, which hasn't rated in any investigation of Covid-19 spread AFAIK.
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