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    Quote Originally Posted by joynz View Post
    I don’t believe him. I believe the trained staff.
    Sky News host Peta Credlin says Daniel Andrews has used one man’s medical episode to cover a “breakdown in government procedures” after she spoke with the man whose nebuliser is at the heart of Victoria’s latest outbreak.

    Posted by John2b, And no, BEVs are not going to save the planet, which doesn't need saving anyway.

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    Neil Mitchell also spoke to nebuliser man and played a recording attributed to him. Peta Credlin has a heavy bias I'm not inclined to place any confidence in anything she says. Neil has been flogging the anti Dan theme as well. What would happen if Dan resigned, not much I would wager. This is being managed by health professionals as well as those providing support and security, it would seem it needs some improvement. Opening up remote camps such as those that housed boat people and vacant mining camps would fix some of those problems but have practical issues that may still cause out breaks.

    in the end is Victoria just unlucky, is it poor management, is it even the government. I certainly couldn't run a quarantine program because I don't have the skills or knowledge, nor does any single person waffling in this thread.

    I would though say that the guy with the nebuliser is claiming on Neil's recording that he is totally innocent but he probably got Covid in the facility. His story seems to be an attempt to completely white wash himself and paint the government as the villain. He would also like a personal call from Andrews. To me he didn't sound kosher, he also seemed to be in overreach, his claims aren't supported by what's publicly available. It seemed a calculated effort, watch this space there may be more to come but really it is a side story.

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    The last few words in this article seem quite true

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bedford View Post
    Sky News host Peta Credlin says Daniel Andrews has used one man’s medical episode to cover a “breakdown in government procedures” after she spoke with the man whose nebuliser is at the heart of Victoria’s latest outbreak.

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    I can’t bear to watch Peta (when all you’ve got is a hammer, everything is a nail) Credlin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joynz View Post
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    I can’t bear to watch Peta ..Credlin.
    Same, but do agree with this take of hers...CoverUpDan.

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    HAPPENING NOW: COVID-19 positive patients are currently being transferred out of the Holiday Inn, in the heart of Melbourne, with garbage bags over their heads.

    https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status...51036926496771
    Posted by John2b, And no, BEVs are not going to save the planet, which doesn't need saving anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bedford View Post
    HAPPENING NOW: COVID-19 positive patients are currently being transferred out of the Holiday Inn, in the heart of Melbourne, with garbage bags over their heads.
    I thought that happened a week ago

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    Approved Astra vaccine but with @@@@ covering conditions. Strange but last time I looked the UK hadn’t approved it and that is where it was made.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-...ralia/13115784

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    I thought that happened a week ago

    Travellers at Victorian coronavirus quarantine hotel, Holiday Inn Flinders Lane, transferred after water damage

    Posted 6hhours ago, updated 1hhour ago

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-...amage/13158184

    Four floors of the Holiday Inn "health hotel" on Flinders Lane were damaged on Saturday when a sprinkler system was activated without a fire occurring.


    "Strict infection prevention and control (IPC) measures will be followed during the transfer to ensure the health and safety of residents, staff and the community," a CQV spokesperson said.
    No mention of garbage bags from the ABC......
    Posted by John2b, And no, BEVs are not going to save the planet, which doesn't need saving anyway.

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    Can you imagine if this clowns in government had to deal with a war?
    We are in the hands of dangerously incompetent cretins.
    Fear is the foundation of most government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bedford View Post
    HAPPENING NOW: COVID-19 positive patients are currently being transferred out of the Holiday Inn, in the heart of Melbourne, with garbage bags over their heads.

    https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status...51036926496771
    They likely chose that option to remain private.

    Similar to prisoners covering their faces. Nobody wants social media to have a photo of coming themselves coming out of a quarantine hotel - especially if infectious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    Approved Astra vaccine but with @@@@ covering conditions. Strange but last time I looked the UK hadn’t approved it and that is where it was made.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-...ralia/13115784
    The UK approved the AstraZeneca vaccine in early January.
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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    The UK approved the AstraZeneca vaccine in early January.
    You are correct, teach me to base a post on an Ipad screen where I never saw UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    The UK approved the AstraZeneca vaccine in early January.
    The Astrazeneca vaccine was approved for use in the UK on the 30 December 2020. First vaccinations (other than trials) were conducted on the 4 January 2021.


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    Quote Originally Posted by John2b View Post
    ...but a health directive to have resuscitation equipment on standby for a vaccine prick is far from normal. That's going to play havoc with the UK's guvmint's intention to roll out millions of doses of vaccine through clinics, pop-ups, and other non-hospital sites.
    Just an update to the adverse reaction fear. The adverse reaction (other than minor which most people get) rate in the UK is 11 per million people vaccinated. It did not stop the mass “roll out” of the vaccine. They have vaccinated 16 million people since the start of January and are presently vaccinating 500,000 people per day.
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    People trying to jump the queue to get the shot.
    https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...official-says/

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilT2 View Post
    People trying to jump the queue to get the shot.
    https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...official-says/
    I think I know why their plan did not work.

    “The women, both younger than 45, wore bonnets, gloves and glasses to disguise themselves as older than 65, the age cutoff to be prioritized to get the coronavirus vaccine in Florida, according to Raul Pino, the director of the health department in Orange County, where Orlando is located.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by UseByDate View Post
    I think I know why their plan did not work.
    Worth a try; my sister managed to get into the Royal Show as a child (under 15) until she was in her late 20s.
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    I hear Morrison is getting the Phizer vaccine, I suppose as Phizer make Viagra which makes the dead rise it must be OK

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    Seems like we might have backed the wrong horse.

    https://www.abc.net.au/radio/program...nning/13177012

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    "Ecological Medicine" ... the plot thickens.
    https://youtu.be/kQpFUMbUECk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    "Ecological Medicine" ... the plot thickens.
    https://youtu.be/kQpFUMbUECk
    Cory Bernadi and Sky News the plot is very thick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    Cory Bernadi and Sky News the plot is very thick.
    There's no vaccine on the horizon for the conspiracy pathogen, and sadly once afflicted few have the fortitude to fully recover.
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    It's so comforting to see once more, the excretion of such well thought out and detailed replies, dutifully pointing out what seems to be out of tune with your prefered doctrine, and avoiding the discredited identity politics.
    And Sus Scrofa Domesticus is airborne.
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    Covid and Climate change link? Oh no ... another conspiracy theory ...
    are you sure?
    A "conspiracy theory" is usually hidden, somehow secret, has little credibility.

    But this one is NO secret, they are shouting it from the rooftops!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    It's so comforting to see once more, the excretion of such well thought out and detailed replies,
    It went with your well thought out commentary on the video link. Seriously, do you expect other people to watch that brain rotting driveler?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    discredited identity politics.
    Well you can blame Murdoch for that with the sycophants that are broadcasting endless dribble on his network.

    Does nothing more than turn people off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    Well you can blame Murdoch for that with the sycophants that are broadcasting endless dribble on his network.

    Does nothing more than turn people off.
    So who is your preferred news provider ?
    Posted by John2b, And no, BEVs are not going to save the planet, which doesn't need saving anyway.

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    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails screenshot_2021-02-28-smack-mouth-world-economic-forum-over-its-stupid-lockdowns-imp.png  
    Posted by John2b, And no, BEVs are not going to save the planet, which doesn't need saving anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bedford View Post
    So who is your preferred news provider ?
    Any but Murdoch. Usually ABC.

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    Your ABC,

    ABC paid Capitol riot felon SULLIVAN after his arrest & after CNN refused to use his footage on ethical/legal grounds

    Those wanting to use Sullivan's film footage in a story like our ABC for its Four Corners program had to negotiate its own license agreement/fee arrangement with Sullivan through his agent.
    Unlike CNN, it didn't matter to our ABC that Sullivan had by then been arrested and charged.
    The date in Sullivan's invoice indicates when the agreement was reached and that was 27 January 2021 which was five days before it was screened in Australia.
    There was time for Sarah Ferguson and her ABC mates to remove it from their story.
    Five days.
    But they chose not to do so.

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/202...on-ethica.html
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 6a0177444b0c2e970d027880169b59200d-800wi.jpg  
    Posted by John2b, And no, BEVs are not going to save the planet, which doesn't need saving anyway.

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    I envy the intelligence of those who, although for the wrong reasons ... are able to plot and manipulate to develop a plan for their own ulterior motives.
    I wish they fail ... but can not dismiss their ingenuity.

    I must however, deplore the lack of discernment of those who are being used to this end, making them believe they are actually acting their free will based on principles of their own choice.

    “Everyone sees what you appear to be,
    few experience what you really are.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bedford View Post
    Your ABC,

    ABC paid Capitol riot felon SULLIVAN after his arrest & after CNN refused to use his footage on ethical/legal grounds




    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/202...on-ethica.html
    Good one the old GOTCHA moment but they got a bargain as CNN and NBC paid $35K each.

    I still rather watch the ABC than those sycophant's on Sky news

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    Same here, this Sullivan guy seems a bit odd but there is nothing to suggest he had anything to do with the riot other than be there filming, having been in the Capitol building though means he deserves to be charged, he had no press credentials and no right to enter the premises. They bought his footage not a story, so what's the point.

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    ABC Comms Chief needs your help in answering our questions about payment to the Capitol rioter

    Friday, 19 February 2021


    (Nick Leys with his wife Louise Milligan)

    Nick Leys is the ABC's Head of Communications. Or non-communications. Yesterday we published details of a potentially criminal act on the part of the ABC. It's certainly morally wrong.

    That is the ABC's payment of USD $2,500 (minus tax) to a known US felon and US Capitol rioter, John Sullivan.

    The ABC spouts sermons about President Trump inciting the riots. Now we know the ABC itself paid a man who video-taped himself doing just that - inciting people to commit crimes. Before the ABC made the payment, it knew that Sullivan's video it intended to pay him for included footage of himself saying:

    "We accomplished this @@@@.

    "We did this together.
    "@@@@ yeah!
    "We are all a part of this history."
    "Let's burn this @@@@ down."

    If anyone was inciting insurrection against US democracy, it was Sullivan.


    So it's important for us to know how and why the ABC paid Australian taxpayer funds to him.


    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/202...ol-rioter.html



    Posted by John2b, And no, BEVs are not going to save the planet, which doesn't need saving anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    Seems like we might have backed the wrong horse.

    https://www.abc.net.au/radio/program...nning/13177012
    We need to vaccinate with what we have available. At the moment about a third of the UK's adult population is vaccinated, mostly with a first dose of Astrazeneca and some Pfizer. They are already planning a booster vaccination programme to cover the Brazilian and South African variant in nine months time. It is probable that a third and fourth vaccination programme will be required for variants still to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UseByDate View Post
    We need to vaccinate with what we have available. At the moment about a third of the UK's adult population is vaccinated, mostly with a first dose of Astrazeneca and some Pfizer. They are already planning a booster vaccination programme to cover the Brazilian and South African variant in nine months time. It is probable that a third and fourth vaccination programme will be required for variants still to come.
    Yes I know what could happen and the government choosing a vaccine was always a gamble but they had no choice if we wanted to get back to some level of normality.

    Just listened to Norman Swan talk about this.

    https://www.abc.net.au/radio/program...rkers/13201520

    Glad I'm not scared of needles that will mean one flu vac, two Covid vac then a Covid booster for the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    Glad I'm not scared of needles that will mean one flu vac, two Covid vac then a Covid booster for the year.
    Awoman to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UseByDate View Post
    We need to vaccinate with what we have available. At the moment about a third of the UK's adult population is vaccinated, mostly with a first dose of Astrazeneca and some Pfizer. They are already planning a booster vaccination programme to cover the Brazilian and South African variant in nine months time. It is probable that a third and fourth vaccination programme will be required for variants still to come.
    Shares in "Big Pharma", anyone?

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    What a surprise, another infection outbreak from quarantine in Sydney.

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...3-d30a0d6eb9d2
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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    What a surprise, another infection outbreak from quarantine in Sydney.
    From what I have been reading the vaccine will only prevent serious illness weather it stops transmission to others is not known. From what I have read about Meningococcal is it is common in people but is harmless to them but to others who are susceptible deadly.

    Is this the way Covid-19 is going in that lockdowns and quarantine will not be needed as it will be in the community but not cause serious illness to people with the vaccine.

    At this stage it is a bit experiment with the population being the sample.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    From what I have been reading the vaccine will only prevent serious illness weather it stops transmission to others is not known. From what I have read about Meningococcal is it is common in people but is harmless to them but to others who are susceptible deadly.

    Is this the way Covid-19 is going in that lockdowns and quarantine will not be needed as it will be in the community but not cause serious illness to people with the vaccine.

    At this stage it is a bit experiment with the population being the sample.
    Yes, I have read that as well, it is meant to stop you getting seriously ill and ending up in hospital, I can see it will just be another thing that will be floating around the community for years to come.
    I believe the vaccine won't stop you spreading it, but as you say just not get ill from it.

    The figures in the UK are astonishing, they have gone from over 68,000 cases and 1823 deaths a day in January to as of yesterday 4,618 new cases and 52 deaths.

    Same for the US January January over 300,000 cases and a high of 4,500 deaths a day to as of yesterday 36,896 new cases and 629 deaths so it looks like the vaccine is doing it's job.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
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    I'd say very late to the lockdown party has had the most effect on those UK and US case numbers. No point going outside when your family and friends are dead or dying

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    I suppose here in Australia we can enjoy being virtually free of the virus but only until we all get a vaccinated, then an ongoing battle when os travel starts and fighting introduced virus strains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3nov8or View Post
    I'd say very late to the lockdown party has had the most effect on those UK and US case numbers. No point going outside when your family and friends are dead or dying
    It has been suggested that the drop in cases and deaths was due to the lock-down and not the vaccine, but the figures show that the greatest drop (percentage) was in the vaccinated group. Remember that this is the case with very few of the vaccinated group having had both doses of the vaccine.
    Approximately 22 million people have had at least one dose and about 1.5 million both doses in the UK. Also maximum immunity only occurs about 3 weeks after the second dose. If the figures are correct then the vaccines are working.
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    From the start, Sars2 has been a political football.
    Without going over rehashed territory, it is a fact that anything to do with cheap methods of reducing the risk or (God forbid) curing the illness, has been dismissed as a fraud with an alacrity that makes it more suspicious than any alleged snake oil.

    One issue that come up time and again is the role of vitamin D or rather it's deficiency in patients that develop a serious reaction to the virus.
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33418230/

    The 2019 coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic has disproportionally affected a variety of patients with underlying risk factors such as respiratory and cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, obesity, and black race. Vitamin D deficiency, which can result in a compromised immune response, has been also linked to increased risk and increased morbidities associated with COVID-19. In the absence of large-scale longitudinal studies to determine the strength of association between vitamin deficiency and COVID-19, cross-sectional studies of large patient cohorts can be used.

    Methods: We used the i2b2 patient's registry platform at the University of Florida Health Center to generate a count of patients using the international classification of diseases (ICD)-10 diagnosis codes for the period of October 1, 2015, through June 30, 2020. Logistic regression of the aggregates was used for the analysis.
    Results: Patients with vitamin D deficiency were 4.6 times more likely to be positive for COVID-19 (indicated by the ICD-10 diagnostic code COVID19) than patients with no deficiency (P < 0.001). The association decreased slightly after adjusting for sex (odds ratio [OR] = 4.58; P < 0.001) and malabsorption (OR = 4.46; P < 0.001), respectively. The association decreased significantly but remained robust (P < 0.001) after adjusting for race (OR = 3.76; P < 0.001), periodontal disease status (OR = 3.64; P < 0.001), diabetes (OR = 3.28; P < 0.001), and obesity (OR = 2.27; P < 0.001), respectively. In addition, patients with vitamin D deficiency were 5 times more likely to be infected with COVID-19 than patients with no deficiency after adjusting for age groups (OR = 5.155; P < 0.001).
    Conclusions: Vitamin D deficiency is significantly associated with increased risk for COVID-19.

    Whilst you wait for the vaccine, if you trust it and are going to have the jab, I suggest to buy a bottle of vitamin D, one that contains D3.
    Here is a good one:

    https://www.advancedbionutritionals...._code=ABVDHP18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    One issue that come up time and again is the role of vitamin D or rather it's deficiency in patients that develop a serious reaction to the virus. [B]
    I would have thought that Vitamin D deficiency would be the least of our problems in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UseByDate View Post
    It has been suggested that the drop in cases and deaths was due to the lock-down and not the vaccine, but the figures show that the greatest drop (percentage) was in the vaccinated group. Remember that this is the case with very few of the vaccinated group having had both doses of the vaccine.
    I wonder if that is correct in that if vaccinated people got a bit crook they would think it is not Covid and not bother getting tested.

    I remember reading in a book by Dr Gilbert Welch "Should I be Tested for Cancer" who put forward the theory if you want to find disease just go looking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    I would have thought that Vitamin D deficiency would be the least of our problems in Australia.
    Well you would be wrong ...

    The level of vitamin D in a person is not directly related to latitude or insolation. There are loads of reasons for D deficiency. The large use of sunscreen, the lack of outside time replaced with screen time, unhealthy diet, obesity, culturally imposed overdressing, and many more make vitamin deficiency a fact of life regardless of geography, as any GP anywhere in Australia can attest to.
    The problem here is that, due to how politically motivated all this coronavirus debacle has become, the interest and inquiries about alternatives is shut down and ridiculed, and the only official line is the "salvation" by vaccination.
    Now it is well known that the virus came from copper miners that died in 2011, virus that was sent to the laboratory in Wuhan that did experiments and research into genetically enhancing the virus in order to ... they say study it. And the morons in the WHO don't help.

    However one can help himself and take vitamin D3. Cheap and harmless. If anything, your overall health will be increased.
    Or ... you can take the blue pill ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Or ... you can take the blue pill ...
    So that’s how you get your Vitamin D?

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