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    Quote Originally Posted by johnc View Post
    My guess is never before in the history of vaccines have so many pontificated on a vaccine of any sort.
    Fortunately or unfortunately that is the way it is now with instant communication. It has the advantage of taking some of the mystery out of "doctor knows best".

    I was just looking at a FB post tonight and some of the vitriol being dished out by posters who say they believe in vaccination won't be vaccinated for Covid was incredible. I had to wonder if these posters were just trolls who have been vaccinated and just stirring up others just for their satisfaction.

    Then there are the antivaxxers and their posts.

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    From the New York Times 'today'... timely, per NSW "freedom day"...

    Singapore’s uncertain reopening
    Vaccines were supposed to be the city-state’s ticket back to normalcy. But even with an 83 percent vaccination rate, Singapore is not opening up.

    Instead, the government reinstated restrictions and urged people to work from home. For many residents, there was a feeling of whiplash and nagging questions about what it would take to reopen if vaccines were not enough.

    But even though nearly all infections, 98.4 percent, present mild or no symptoms, the country is unaccustomed to large outbreaks. It’s a sobering case study for nations like New Zealand and Australia that are trying to transition from a zero-Covid strategy.

    Background: Singapore’s initial handling of the coronavirus was widely considered a success. It closed its borders, tested and traced aggressively and was one of the first countries in Asia to order vaccines.

    What’s next: One vision of how the pandemic might play out in Singapore includes face masks, limited travel and social distancing, perhaps until 2024.

    Quotable: “In a way, we are a victim of our own success, because we’ve achieved as close to zero Covid as we can get and a very, very low death rate,” said an infectious disease specialist. “So we want to keep the position at the top of the class, and it’s very hard to do.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnc View Post
    My guess is never before in the history of vaccines have so many pontificated on a vaccine of any sort. Yet on forums like this nobody I am aware of is the slightest bit qualified to speak at all. This is nothing but regurgitating a combination of information from experts and propganda of idiots and half wits. To the credit of those involved most posts seem to lean towards expert, not idiot, when referenced back. Seriously this is just noise, of little value but we should be grateful that we may be heading for 90% fully vaccinated adults over the age of 16, whatever it ends up being for over 12 and sometime soon vacination of children over the age of five if required.

    We seem to be a compliant country however coming out of lockdowns and opening up to the outside world will test the health systems of states like Victoria and NSW, I hope most of you are double vaxxed or heading that way, as for the rest they will be part of the problem of getting a level of herd immunity that keeps most of us safe. I am aware of a relative of a friend who died yesterday of Covid, after a long period of decline with the mongrel virus, once vaccinated we greatly reduce our risk of getting covid, we reduce the risk of passing it on and if we do at lower levels than if we had refused the vaccine, thats the expert opinion as it stands.
    Are you claiming to be an expert? If not, aren't you just being hypercritical and contributing to the noise you claim is on this thread?
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    Just linked my vax certificate from Medicare app to the Services Victoria check-in app. Works really well I reckon. Flashy hologram background and all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UseByDate View Post
    Are you claiming to be an expert? If not, aren't you just being hypercritical and contributing to the noise you claim is on this thread?
    or are you just being judgmental, does it really matter what either of us really think. I was certainly being judgmental FWIW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3nov8or View Post
    Just linked my vax certificate from Medicare app to the Services Victoria check-in app. Works really well I reckon. Flashy hologram background and all...
    Ours does not work yet. Entering a store was hit and miss yesterday, with queues of people poking aimlessly at their phones, and 'security' guard looking at the certificate without reading it. If it is green it must be right ...

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    So funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    So funny.
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    The new to be leader apparently is anti-lockdown so brace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
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    The new to be leader apparently is anti-lockdown so brace.
    You couldn't script this, HA HA HA HA HA, about time one of the Premiers shows some leadership.

    I went out to lunch for a few days this week, you wouldn't know anything was different from prior Covid.

    Restaurants were all full, people lining up at the doors to get in.

    I would say traffic is back to about 40 - 50%.
    I read face-to-face retail took $100 Million in sales on the Monday up from $35 Million the previous Monday.
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    I really hope it doesn't turn out to be a mistake and heaps more people die.

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    I am hoping regions and other states get their vax numbers high like Sydney, want to travel safely. Seems the only way to do that is the scare tactic by releasing the virus into the communities. Probably something the government already knows!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bob View Post
    I really hope it doesn't turn out to be a mistake and heaps more people die.
    Bound to happen, don't know about heaps of people but people will die, I would be getting very nervous if I was unvaccinated about now.
    The un vaccinated are putting the vaccinated, the ones who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons, plus the kids at risk, rather selfish attitude if you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    I am hoping regions and other states get their vax numbers high like Sydney, want to travel safely. Seems the only way to do that is the scare tactic by releasing the virus into the communities. Probably something the government already knows!
    Probably true, I reckon they have had enough of the rubbish from the anti-vaxxers, probably thought let it out and lets see what happens.
    As much as it's costing a fortune in keeping them alive in hospital, thought are it's costing a lot more to keep everything closed.

    A few mates are in Portugal they said everything back to normal over there, you just show your double vax certificate to get access to eating / events.
    They travelled to England and said they have given up on the vax certificate and just let everyone go do what they want.
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    You can safely half the death numbers to get a more realistic picture, considering how the death with covid have been added to the death by covid, but anyway ... one is one too many.
    As for vaccination certificate. I have mine on the phone and since the great stampede, have been asked for it the grand total of twice. And the checking consisted in verifying it was green, since without expanding the picture it is impossible to read from one meter away.

    As for the legality of asking for this certificate, it is murky like everything to do with covid.
    No surprises.
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    A friend's mum has a condition that is treated by very low dose chemo. Double jabbed, but as she's immuno-compromised, her doctor said let's get your COVID antibodies checked to see if you need a booster. Zero. Nada. Nil. No antibodies just a few months along. What other drugs impact efficacy? Are we all really still "double jabbed" at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3nov8or View Post
    A friend's mum has a condition that is treated by very low dose chemo. Double jabbed, but as she's immuno-compromised, her doctor said let's get your COVID antibodies checked to see if you need a booster. Zero. Nada. Nil. No antibodies just a few months along. What other drugs impact efficacy? Are we all really still "double jabbed" at all?
    I really feel for all the individuals like your friend's mum who get caught out in this.
    We live in a world where all that is required is to appear to do the right thing, not actually do it.
    Where built in obsolescence is now an art form.
    As long as the overall statistics look ok and are palatable it doesn't matter if an individual is a statistic.

    On the plus side it does sound like her doctor is on the ball at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverYoung View Post
    I really feel for all the individuals like your friend's mum who get caught out in this.
    We live in a world where all that is required is to appear to do the right thing, not actually do it.
    Where built in obsolescence is now an art form.
    As long as the overall statistics look ok and are palatable it doesn't matter if an individual is a statistic.

    On the plus side it does sound like her doctor is on the ball at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    Where is our English going....0.39 Zee instead of Zed!

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    I know it is estate agent talk but even if there is a grain of truth I find it hard to understand people motivation. I lived in a small town where the pay was exceptionally good and I have seen people come from Brisbane and within 3 yrs most have them have gone back sacrificing the high income as the wife couldn't cope with living in a smaller town.

    Now Townsville and Bundaberg are not small towns but they are don't compare with Sydney and Melbourne for convenience.

    The country seems to be awash with money as materials and tradies are hard to get, it must end somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    I know it is estate agent talk but even if there is a grain of truth I find it hard to understand people motivation. ...
    Fear & Herd Mentality I would suggest.
    There are possibly some who have started to question why they have been living the way they have and might be opting for a simpler less frenetic lifestyle where they can spend more time with their kids etc but I doubt if they are the type to buy a house unseen from interstate via a video link with the re agent - something I have seen personally happen at a home open, the agent forget to mention the house was riddled with asbestos cladding inside (and it wasn't obvious from the listing pics). I am still bewildered by all the online buying of even minor stuff that is better see in person let alone a house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverYoung View Post
    something I have seen personally happen at a home open, the agent forget to mention the house was riddled with asbestos cladding inside (and it wasn't obvious from the listing pics)..
    I am not sticking up for Real Estate agents, I personally detest them, as the majority of them (99.9%) are shonks, play stupid time wasting games, pretend to be your friend then stab you, and are as crooked as they come.

    Saying that, it's not up to the agent to mention anything about a house such as Asbestos walls etc, this is the buyers responsibility to seek advise from a pre-purchase inspection then make an informed decision based on the findings.

    The hard thing comes in when trying to find a decent pre-purchase inspection, again 99% of these are not worth the paper they are written on and reveal nothing about the condition or problems in a house and are mostly about covering their ass for not disclosing something that is potentially wrong.

    Most people purchase a house on looks and emotion which is the worst thing you can ever do, once you let emotions become involved you are bound to make a decision that will cost you more.

    Imagine as a seller you put your house on the market, potential buyer comes in.

    Agent says stop before you enter, bear in mind the walls in the bedrooms, bathroom, kitchen and garage are made from Asbestos, the plumbing is pretty old and has asbestos insulation around the pipes, the wiring is old in the front part of the house and really all needs replacing, there is lead based paint on the window frames, pretty sure there is lino under the lounge carpet that contains Asbestos.

    As you can imagine this house is not going to sell, this is why having an independent pre-purchase inspection is very important if you are not experienced enough to perform this yourself.

    Anyone buying a house or apartment purely online has rocks in their head IMO, as there is so many things that can go very wrong, not only the physical condition of the house, what about potential neighbour issues that can only be spotted by visiting the site, potential noise issues such as the guy next door owns a MACK truck, there is a tree in the back yard ready to drop, the list goes on and on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Ours does not work yet. Entering a store was hit and miss yesterday, with queues of people poking aimlessly at their phones, and 'security' guard looking at the certificate without reading it. If it is green it must be right ...
    I was able to get the digital certificate to port over to the Services NSW app this morning, which is bang on when they said it would work which was, ready from Monday 18th, It now appears in the credentials section of the opening page,

    There is a new hologram of a wattle that forms the background, also a QR code superimposed over the wattle that is generated (what this does I can't work out as nothing seems to scan it) probably for use in big venues I suspect.

    There is also a clearly visible time and date that is generated as soon as you open the certificate and refreshed on the fly with a refresh button as well as the rolling clock on the top part of the certificate.

    I think it would now be very difficult to replicate this if you were trying to use a fake one, this one is much easier to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
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    Saying that, it's not up to the agent to mention anything about a house such as Asbestos walls etc, this is the buyers responsibility to seek advise from a pre-purchase inspection then make an informed decision based on the findings.
    Yep, sorry, I was trying to be flippant/sarcastic about the agent not mentioning it.
    I have seen an ad on the box from a bank where the potential buyer uses their app to value the house and there is a guy in the background tapping the walls - that's me.

    The hard thing comes in when trying to find a decent pre-purchase inspection, again 99% of these are not worth the paper they are written on and reveal nothing about the condition or problems in a house and are mostly about covering their ass for not disclosing something that is potentially wrong ...
    Have to agree on that.
    I have seen people trying to do their due diligence, getting in a builder mate etc, and they get beaten by the FOMO buyer who buys at the 1st home open in the 1st 20 minutes - witnessed this a couple of times here in Perth; and yes it is corona related, seems to have really juiced the market for certain properties in certain locations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverYoung View Post
    Yep, sorry, I was trying to be flippant/sarcastic about the agent not mentioning it.
    I have seen an ad on the box from a bank where the potential buyer uses their app to value the house and there is a guy in the background tapping the walls - that's me.


    Have to agree on that.
    I have seen people trying to do their due diligence, getting in a builder mate etc, and they get beaten by the FOMO buyer who buys at the 1st home open in the 1st 20 minutes - witnessed this a couple of times here in Perth; and yes it is corona related, seems to have really juiced the market for certain properties in certain locations.
    There has been this online-auction thing going on in Sydney for the last months due to corona, I would never buy a house via an online auction as you can't see who it is your bidding against and if they are a genuine buyer or maybe a heap of shonky real estate agents in an office pushing the prices higher.

    I asked a mate who runs a realestate he said it's all legit, like a zoom meeting but you don't have to show your face, there is nothing to stop non potential buyers jumping in and boosting the price, same as a in person auction I guess.
    The thing that worries me about these online auctions, is it could be rigged and be a bunch of bots using AI to determine if you can be pushed a little more, who knows, maybe it's safer.

    I normally hate Auctions anyway, inevitably the buyer will overpay at them, I have only ever bought one place via Auction, with the latest market prices in Sydney, a non-auction property doesn't exist and prices are ridiculous.
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    Getting back to the corona virus, my son has been against this vaccine as it has been rushed on to the market but yesterday he was talking to us and now seems to be accepting that if you are vaccinated you will be in this group and non vaccinated you will have to stand at the back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    Getting back to the corona virus, my son has been against this vaccine as it has been rushed on to the market but yesterday he was talking to us and now seems to be accepting that if you are vaccinated you will be in this group and non vaccinated you will have to stand at the back.
    I think you will find an amount of people will go get it done now for FOMO.

    Was as a friends house yesterday, they are going to a 21st birthday the boy who is 21 isn't vaccinated, so he is not allowed inside the house with the other guests and he has to wear a mask the whole time, while the others who are there for his birthday don't and are allowed to congregate inside the house.

    It was said he didn't get the vaccine as he couldn't be bothered, now he was saying he should have got it done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post

    A few mates are in Portugal they said everything back to normal over there, you just show your double vax certificate to get access to eating / events.
    They travelled to England and said they have given up on the vax certificate and just let everyone go do what they want.
    How did they get into England without a vax certificate?
    This document shows a list of countries and what evidence of vaccination is required to enter the country.


    “To qualify under the fully vaccinated rules for travel to England, you must have been fully vaccinated with a full course of an approved vaccine under:




    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/countrie...proof-required
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    Quote Originally Posted by UseByDate View Post
    How did they get into England without a vax certificate?
    This document shows a list of countries and what evidence of vaccination is required to enter the country.


    “To qualify under the fully vaccinated rules for travel to England, you must have been fully vaccinated with a full course of an approved vaccine under:




    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/countrie...proof-required
    The do have a vax certificate, they said once in the country nobody cares in the venues they just go in without being asked to show it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    The do have a vax certificate, they said once in the country nobody cares in the venues they just go in without being asked to show it.
    They have one and many countries mandate that it is required to enter their country (or quarantine) but they don't use it domestically within England.

    “At the moment, Covid status certificates are not a legal requirement in the UK to get into places, such as pubs, theatres, cinemas or shops.
    However, nightclubs have been encouraged to use them by the Government - and it may be mandatory in the near future.
    This might mean your favourite venue currently won't let you in unless you have a pass.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    Yesterdays Everest Day at Randwick, things almost looking back to normal.
    And I suppose you were there making small talk with Gerry Harvey?

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    About evidence of vaccination required ... We have now been out and about for a week, and the proof of vaccination is already out the window. Hardly any store takes it on them to ask.
    My TV started to play up. The message was "Card failure" ...
    So called the local antenna tv dude.
    He arrived all masked up, and first thing he says ... "Can I ask you if you are double vaccinated?"

    Yes, confronted with this irony, I quickly scanned in my mind the multiple sarcastic replies that popped up, but I wanted the TV fixed ... so I hesitantly blurted out -Yes, you can ask me.
    And that was it.
    When governments ask citizen to turn into police, nothing good comes of it.
    Stalin, Hitler, Mao and many others had the same clever idea. Our friend Xi is a student in the same school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post

    Yes, confronted with this irony, I quickly scanned in my mind the multiple sarcastic replies that popped up,.
    Hard to believe you were lost for words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    About evidence of vaccination required ... We have now been out and about for a week, and the proof of vaccination is already out the window. Hardly any store takes it on them to ask.
    My TV started to play up. The message was "Card failure" ...
    So called the local antenna tv dude.
    He arrived all masked up, and first thing he says ... "Can I ask you if you are double vaccinated?"

    Yes, confronted with this irony, I quickly scanned in my mind the multiple sarcastic replies that popped up, but I wanted the TV fixed ... so I hesitantly blurted out -Yes, you can ask me.
    And that was it.
    When governments ask citizen to turn into police, nothing good comes of it.
    Stalin, Hitler, Mao and many others had the same clever idea. Our friend Xi is a student in the same school.
    It has nothing to do with citizens being police, not any links to Stalin or Xi.

    You are not required to show Vax proof everywhere you go or every business you enter.
    Nor is every business required to ask for proof as clearly stated on the NSW health site.

    As you can see it is mainly for business where you will be sitting down, or staying in there for an extended period of time.

    The TV guy asking you is a good thing, the thought you had to give him a sarcastic reply is a bad thing, he is only doing his job, maybe appreciate he actually turned up.
    If he didn't ask you to "prove it" is probably more to do with he trusted you to not lie about it.

    Which stores did NOT ask you for it ?
    Which stores DID ask you for it ?

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    More and more Australians are seeing the sense in this simple message: there’s no reason to keep us locked down once everyone has had the chance to get the jab.
    NSW is leading the way, with people back at work, visiting the family and friends they haven’t seen in months and finally sinking a few beers at the pub. Pretty soon kids across the state will be back at school.
    Although every state is different, there’s no reason other state’s can’t follow the NSW example.
    But there are also three very self-important, power-hungry flies in our ointment: Dan Andrews, Annastacia Palaszczuk and Mark McGowan.
    The three Premiers hell-bent on holding back our country.
    All three signed up to a national deal to open up Australia.
    All three broke their promises within weeks, shifting the goalposts on what percentage of Australians would need to be vaccinated before their hard borders and punishing lockdowns would end.
    Just when it looks like we can put the pandemic behind us and get on with dealing with the real problems facing the country, these three just can’t give up the limelight.
    Why would they sign off on a deal with the federal government only to walk away from it within weeks.
    These three only care about themselves.
    Andrews, Palaszczuk and McGowan made themselves heroes by holding the nation hostage.
    And they can’t bear letting go, even though the other western nations are through the worst of COVID-19 and are busy putting the pandemic in the rearview mirror.
    Their formula is simple. Grandstand by pulling the only lever they have – lockdowns and the fantasy of “zero cases” – while desperately trying to make all the problems belong to someone else.
    You can’t attend the funeral of a close relative? Not their problem.
    Your business is going broke? Not their problem.
    You can’t work and your kids are climbing up the walls? Not their problem.
    It’s just petty politics at its worst and every day you’ll be paying the price for it.
    The Premiers get to stay in the limelight and belt the Coalition in Canberra ahead of next year’s federal election.
    Meanwhile, the health systems in Victoria, Queensland and Western Australia are crumbling.
    Emergency patients are treated in ambulances outside hospitals because there are no beds for them, even in states with no COVID-19.
    It’s time Andrews, Palaszczuk and McGowan stopped putting themselves first.
    Australians know there’s a path out of the pandemic and it’s time these three got on board.

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    Barber, cafe, restaurant.
    Yet the local Target/Kmart made a big display of their newly found powers.

    it is rather sad yet not surprising, that you see the tv dude attitude correct. He has no right to ask, it is me in my own house that could ask but choose not to.

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    Melbourne starts it's re-opening on Friday. No travel limit within metro Melb (but not to regional yet), 10 visitors to homes, public gatherings etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    These three only care about themselves.
    Andrews, Palaszczuk and McGowan made themselves heroes by holding the nation hostage.
    Cant speak for Andrews bur Palaszczuk and McGowan have certainly demonstrated their stand has been popular by the electors.

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    Meanwhile, the health systems in Victoria, Queensland and Western Australia are crumbling.
    Emergency patients are treated in ambulances outside hospitals because there are no beds for them, even in states with no COVID-19.
    Add NSW to that list as the public hospital system has been staved for funding Australia wide for years.

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    I'm happy as it is and I'm not alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    NSW is leading the way, with people back at work, visiting the family and friends they haven’t seen in months and finally sinking a few beers at the pub.
    Only because Delta took hold and a panic began for vaccinations. Had that not happened NSW would not necessarily be leading the charge. As for other states lagging, people there will be groaning about their limited travel options and might get their numbers up. A good dose of Delta will certainly get them moving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    Only because Delta took hold and a panic began for vaccinations. Had that not happened NSW would not necessarily be leading the charge. As for other states lagging, people there will be groaning about their limited travel options and might get their numbers up. A good dose of Delta will certainly get them moving.
    You are correct as complacency has taken over here. Now with the fast acting vaccines freely available there shouldn't be the attitude that they scared people into getting the second AZ vaccine before it was due, I hope those who did will not suffer any consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post

    it is rather sad yet not surprising, that you see the tv dude attitude correct. He has no right to ask, it is me in my own house that could ask but choose not to.
    The TV guy could be asking so that he knows the risk profile he is walking into and can adjust his work method and PPE to suit.

    I had to work with a new contractor today and volunteered my Vax status and asked theirs so we both knew where we stood. If they had said they were unvaxed I would have requested that we both kept our face masks on.

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    ...though I thought face masks were required regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    The TV guy could be asking so that he knows the risk profile he is walking into and can adjust his work method and PPE to suit.

    I had to work with a new contractor today and volunteered my Vax status and asked theirs so we both knew where we stood. If they had said they were unvaxed I would have requested that we both kept our face masks on.
    You miss the point just like Metrix did.
    If you have concerns about going into someone's house, you can ask over the phone before coming. And the way to ask is to volunteer your status first and then politely ask to reciprocate.

    No one has the right to barge in my house with the opening sentence -Are you "double" vaccinated. It is rude and patronising, plus, he never stated if he himself is vaccinated.
    What if I am single vaccinated? Or never vaccinated? Or had covid and recovered? Do I have to explain to an ignoramus how immunity works? Not my job.
    Do you walk in a bus or train and ask for other people's status? Taxi driver? Coffee shop? Pub?

    Not even surgery employees are all vaccinated, as I know for a fact. Health orders are not there to turn the common person into a member of the inquisition. And the tradesman that needs to do some work in people's homes, if himself vaccinated should be aware that his risk profile is the same when he goes to do a job, or when he goes to the pub or goes shopping, highly dependent of his own health condition rather than others'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    Hard to believe you were lost for words.
    It's a pity you live so far away. Despite what you may think, I am sure we would get along just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    You miss the point just like Metrix did.
    If you have concerns about going into someone's house, you can ask over the phone before coming. And the way to ask is to volunteer your status first and then politely ask to reciprocate.

    No one has the right to barge in my house with the opening sentence -Are you "double" vaccinated. It is rude and patronising, plus, he never stated if he himself is vaccinated.
    What if I am single vaccinated? Or never vaccinated? Or had covid and recovered? Do I have to explain to an ignoramus how immunity works? Not my job.
    Do you walk in a bus or train and ask for other people's status? Taxi driver? Coffee shop? Pub?

    Not even surgery employees are all vaccinated, as I know for a fact. Health orders are not there to turn the common person into a member of the inquisition. And the tradesman that needs to do some work in people's homes, if himself vaccinated should be aware that his risk profile is the same when he goes to do a job, or when he goes to the pub or goes shopping, highly dependent of his own health condition rather than others'.
    The whole situation is just weird. If people trust the efficacy of the vaccine, just go about your business without needing to enquire about whether another person has taken a vaccine. I think the social situation is strange because people don't even know why they are vaccinated, or worse not honest with themselves. Is it to protect yourself or to protect others, or coercion? If you listen to the simplistic child-like language of politicians I wouldn't blame someone for being confused. They haven't been honest about their intentions, whether they feel they "just know what is best for you" or whether it's to reduce load on a tax-payer funded healthcare system, or whether they wrongly believe "the unvaxxed" are going to be plague-carriers.

    On a society level I'm willing to hear that conversation, but on small scale social interactions, whether or not you've had a particular covid therapy is noone else's business. Get over it, go about your day. If people were rational about it, the safest people are probably those who have had covid and have a natural immunity. But then you'd miss out on the sweet feeling of getting that little sticker and putting the "Im vaxxed" halo around your social media profile photo.

    It's all totally above board and totally about the science and totally about doing the right thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    You miss the point just like Metrix did.
    If you have concerns about going into someone's house, you can ask over the phone before coming. And the way to ask is to volunteer your status first and then politely ask to reciprocate.

    No one has the right to barge in my house with the opening sentence -Are you "double" vaccinated. It is rude and patronising, plus, he never stated if he himself is vaccinated.
    What if I am single vaccinated? Or never vaccinated? Or had covid and recovered? Do I have to explain to an ignoramus how immunity works? Not my job.
    Do you walk in a bus or train and ask for other people's status? Taxi driver? Coffee shop? Pub?

    Not even surgery employees are all vaccinated, as I know for a fact. Health orders are not there to turn the common person into a member of the inquisition. And the tradesman that needs to do some work in people's homes, if himself vaccinated should be aware that his risk profile is the same when he goes to do a job, or when he goes to the pub or goes shopping, highly dependent of his own health condition rather than others'.

    You need to stop overanalysing everything, I hardly think someone would come barging in uninvited, I don't know of any people that come to my door that come barging in, if he came in you obviously invited him in.
    He has every right to ask if you are vaccinated, after all he is entering your premises for an undisclosed amount of time, if he felt there was a risk then he may not have come in, or may have implemented other PPE, who knows.

    Rude and patronising, you need to get out Marc and start living life as per normal again, go out on the boat, start doing the things you used to do before, instead of living by what you read online.
    Get back your old sense of humour and helping others, lately the person I see on here is not the Marc of old.
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    I hear you, however it is not exactly like that.
    It is easy to agree on technical matters at different levels of competence. It is entirely different when the discussion ventures into subject matter that is both not well known and subject to massive political manipulation.

    Just like "global warming", religious or political convictions, the recent culture of "correctness" has turned a great number of topics into either tabu, or the subject of tribalism. Consensus is king, dissent is anathema.

    We can disagree without mistrust, the internet has turned everyone into an epidemiologist, yet I can go back to the seventies helping my brother in law with hip surgery holding a B&D.
    My exposure to medical matters is the result of chance and I don't claim any intellectual effort to achieve what I know, yet I know BS when I see it.

    We all fall in the tribalism and intolerance trap, just watch the alacrity in deleting some of my post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonno80 View Post
    It's all totally above board and totally about the science and totally about doing the right thing.
    The voice of reason...or is it?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PIU7AneaZg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Despite what you may think, I am sure we would get along just fine.
    Now that's a worry.

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    For those who think they may be having a "Long" reaction to the vaccine.
    https://aems.tga.gov.au/report-unreg...mNO7NTl6qOt-I8
    "A big boy did it and ran away"

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