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    Quote Originally Posted by johnc View Post
    Not keen on using the word "woke" since it became weaponised by America's halfwits. However the school in question clearly got this wrong, there is no precedent either spoken or acted out. The comments section is interesting some of those "woke" whiners show what happens when low IQ gets its hands on a keyboard.
    The word “woke” has achieved currency with English speakers. The woke adopted it to described their group and their group politics. The anti-woke now use it as a derogatory term. It seems that you only need half a brain to see the danger with the identity politics that is being adopted by the woke. What happened at the school is a classic case of identity politics. Identity politics has been used politically in the past to eliminate identifiable groups. A couple would be Germany 1930-1945 (Jews) and Cambodia 1975-1979 (intellectuals/professionals).
    Ad hominem “arguments” are often used by the woke to silence opposing arguments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by UseByDate View Post
    you only need half a brain
    Got that bit right

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilT2 View Post
    Got that bit right
    I also forgot the other technique the “woke” need to “win” arguments. They often take whole paragraphs from a text “out of context”. When that is not an option they take a sentence out of context. When that is not an option they use a number of words within a sentence out of context. The ultimate is to use some words in a text and re-arrange the order to change the meaning of the text. I am pleased to see that you have not sunk to the lowest level yet.


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    Federal government tears up four Victorian government deals with foreign nations leading to rebuke from Chinese embassy

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-...eals/100085676


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    Way overdue. I hope that next is the port of Darwin and those islands we gave away.
    Then all those thousands of properties acquired illegally by foreigners.

    Shows how gutless governments are, they know the mood is right to do this now. Why didn't they do this as soon as it was signed 3 years ago?
    Why are the chinese still in Darwin?

    Gutless and opportunistic.
    But better than doing nothing I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Why didn't they do this as soon as it was signed 3 years ago?
    They probably didn't know it even existed then.

    Besides, they have to get hold of it in order to tear it up, and getting hold of it wouldn't have been easy.
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    About time that crap was torn up. Labor tearing up the East West Link contract was a disgrace, but this one was long overdue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bedford View Post
    They probably didn't know it even existed then.

    Besides, they have to get hold of it in order to tear it up, and getting hold of it wouldn't have been easy.
    If I knew about it, then obviously they knew too. Never been a secret. Of course if one is gutless and fearful, it is easy to pretend one does not know.
    A bit like the emperor's new clothes, or like Biden's dementia.

    Good that it is out in the open now. Better late than never.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Why didn't they do this as soon as it was signed 3 years ago?
    They praised it as a good idea at the time, they couldn't flip until they were sure the punters had forgotten about that.
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...17-p553j9.html

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    If Biden is demented and I think that is debatable it is nowhere near the level of Ronald Reagans and some people still think he was an OK sort of leader
    "A big boy did it and ran away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moondog55 View Post
    If Biden is demented and I think that is debatable it is nowhere near the level of Ronald Reagans and some people still think he was an OK sort of leader
    Many references but major criticism at 2:30.
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    Public outrage has followed in the wake of revelations some diggers were locked out of Anzac Day dawn service events on Sunday.

    The Andrews government imposed a 1400 person cap on the event but has been called out for double standards after allowing 75,000 into the MCG for a sport event a few hours later.

    Speaking of a picture of a veteran named John who was forced to watch Melbourne’s Dawn Service from behind a temporary fence Sky News Host Paul Murray said, “that image is a disgrace”.

    “This man had served his country”. “Shame on everyone involved in the decision to limit the number of people who could be at the shrine of remembrance … in Melbourne and any other service around Australia. “John wasn’t allowed to stand with hundreds of others to pay tribute to true heroes. Those who don’t serve their footy club but those who have served their country.”
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    Perhaps people are mistaking president Bidens stutter for dementia?
    But all said and done he's just another politician; just like our own beloved PM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moondog55 View Post
    If Biden is demented and I think that is debatable it is nowhere near the level of Ronald Reagans and some people still think he was an OK sort of leader


    Quote Originally Posted by Moondog55 View Post
    Perhaps people are mistaking president Bidens stutter for dementia?
    But all said and done he's just another politician; just like our own beloved PM

    What's this bulldust got to do with my thread??
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    As much as any post in this thread.
    "A big boy did it and ran away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bedford View Post
    What's this bulldust got to do with my thread??
    surely you aren’t implying your thread has ever been bull dust free? Surely these forums are a haven for bull dust!

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    ...ok I'II keep it relevant and bulldust free!

    Dan Andrews at the 40sec mark after cracking the s%^ts with the fedral gov tearing up his little love letter exchange with the CCP!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSkZ0uHuVDw

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    Didn't Dan blame the nebulizer guy, surprised this hasn't got a mention yet:

    Victoria's third Covid lockdown was caused by an unmasked woman being swabbed in an open doorway of the Holiday Inn hotel NOT a father using a nebuliser in his room as first claimed

    Report into Victoria lockdown finds Covid escaped Holiday Inn due to swabbing of unmasked woman (dailymail.co.uk)

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    'Lack of transparency' the 'most concerning thing' about Victoria's hotel quarantine system



    Workplace Editor at The Australian Ewin Hannan says "one of the most concerning things" about secret reports into Victoria's hotel quarantine management is "the lack of transparency". "We're told a version of events when things happen... they do investigations, but these investigations never come to light," he said. "The story all along has been the man with the nebuliser; family of three; he was the cause of the virus leaving the Holiday Inn. "In fact, this report... says the actual virus escaped initially from down the corridor from a woman who caught COVID-19 in Sri Lanka."
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    WorkSafe Victoria should have moved ‘hard and fast’ on hotel quarantine


    Self-Employed Australia Executive Director Ken Phillips says WorkSafe Victoria should have moved “hard and fast” 12 months ago with investigations into the state’s hotel quarantine. “Our view is that if they had done that there would have been a very fast correction of all of the problems that have been occurring,” Mr Phillips told Sky News host Peta Credlin. “Because – in our view – WorkSafe have not done this, we find a situation of what can only be described as continuing confusion and chaos as we’re seeing all the time with the hotel quarantine program and the fourth attempt to do this. “What that is really doing is continuing to put the health and safety of all Victorians and in turn Australians at significant risk.”

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    I didn't find a report of this by the ABC either, unless I missed it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    I didn't find a report of this by the ABC either, unless I missed it!
    The ABC should be defunded........


    The ‘actual consequences’ of Victoria’s lockdown ‘were terrible’


    Jim’s Mowing founder Jim Penman says the “actual consequences” of Victoria’s lockdowns saw “real suffering” beyond losing money and businesses.

    Jim’s Mowing franchises are seeking compensation from the Victorian government in a multi-million-dollar lawsuit. If the lawsuit is successful, Mr Penman said there’s tens of thousands of small businesses who could “follow the same precedent”.

    “The real suffering is actually way beyond that, I know two franchisees who have had suicide attempts within their families and two that have lost both their house and their marriages as a result of the lockdown,” he told Sky News host Chris Kenny.

    “The actual consequences were terrible.”






    Dan Andrews (Victoria) declares war on small business – ‘destroy em’ they say!

    Thursday, July 16, 2020

    Yesterday the Victorian Labor government released its report into the ‘gig economy.’ The 228-page report should be read as a declaration of war against self-employed, small business people across Victoria, and Australia. This is so because a key recommendation calls for laws that would effectively make self-employment illegal.

    The recommendation (page 193 of the report) reads:
    Recommendation 6

    The Inquiry recommends that the FW Act be amended to
    (a) codify work status on the face of relevant legislation (rather than relying on indistinct common law tests)
    (b) clarify the work status test including by adopting the ‘entrepreneurial worker’ approach, so that those who work as part of another’s enterprise or business are ‘employees’ and autonomous, ’self-employed’ small business workers are covered by commercial laws.

    This dumping of the common law definition of self-employment with the creation of a new test (called the ‘entrepreneurial test’) would smash small businesses in Victoria.
    https://www.selfemployedaustralia.co...oy-em-they-say
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bedford View Post
    The ABC should be defunded........


    The ‘actual consequences’ of Victoria’s lockdown ‘were terrible’








    Dan Andrews (Victoria) declares war on small business – ‘destroy em’ they say!



    https://www.selfemployedaustralia.co...oy-em-they-say
    We already have Federal and State tests to try to capture those employers trying to dodge their obligations to pay workcover and super on vunerable individuals who have little choice. The review seeks to tighten those rules, partially in the wake of a number of deaths in the gig industry doing deliveries. There isn't much point arguing with someone who thinks the ABC should be defunded and Peta Credlin and Sky news tell them how to think. This is about exploitation and will do nothing to harm genuine contractors and small business operators.

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    Victorians put through 'incredible pain' as government 'fail' on contact tracing: Kenny






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    The ABC should be defunded......

    I second that.
    Our weekender, has no tv reception so we get the regional tv off a satellite. It is almost exclusively ABC in all it's pathetic indoctrinating versions.
    And it has been like this for the last 20 years or more.
    What are governments afraid of, that they don't rein in hidden agendas from the media? Are they that incompetent?
    Answer, YES.
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    On the "quarantine" hotels.
    How can a virus that, when not airborne, does travel piggyback on fludge droplets, be contained in buildings who have central ducted air conditioning?
    It's Like leaving the doors open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post

    Our weekender, has no tv reception so we get the regional tv off a satellite. It is almost exclusively ABC in all it's pathetic indoctrinating versions.
    With a weekender you should have more than enough money to buy a subscription to Foxtel then you can listen and watch Ruperts ideologues to your hearts content.
    But if you have long pockets and short arms where you can't afford Foxtel you could use Vast with all the commercial channels for free sorry none of Ruperts men there.

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    Bros, as a moderator you fail in the moderation department badly when it comes to your personal agenda.
    Please avoid personal comments especially about money.

    There are no facts in your answer, just derogatory personal comments and opinions based on your personal
    views.
    Avoid or better, edit them out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Bros, as a moderator you fail in the moderation department badly when it comes to your personal agenda.
    Please avoid personal comments especially about money.
    No personal agenda just stating facts.

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    Here's some facts,

    ABC Australian depicts Journalist as ‘dogf**ker’ in satire, 200 complaints


    by Sydney Smith March 11, 2014 05:00 AM EST

    https://www.imediaethics.org/abc-aus...00-complaints/

    Australian journalist Chris Kenny is suing national public broadcaster Australian Broadcasting Corporation over a September 2013 satirical segment about him.


    ABC’s The Hamster Decides, a late-night entertainment program showed an image of Kenny captioned “Chris ‘Dogf***er Kenny,” according to ABC. The picture showed Kenny “having sex with a dog while strangling it,” the Sydney Morning Herald reported.
    And,

    ABC paid Capitol rioter for footage to ‘boost ratings’: Eric Abetz







    Liberal Senator Eric Abetz has accused the ABC of deliberately paying a violent left-wing activist for his footage of the Capitol Hill riots for the sake of “sensationalism” and boosting ratings.

    Remittance advice from the ABC shows the national broadcaster spent taxpayer funds to buy footage of the January 6 Capitol Hill riots from rioter and anti-Trump activist John Sullivan. Mr Sullivan was indicted in February by a federal grand jury on six charges including obstruction of a civil proceeding, civil disorder, and disorderly conduct. The ABC purchased the right to use the footage from Mr Sullivan after the self-professed anti-Trump activist had been charged.

    ABC Managing Director David Anderson said the Four Corners team knew Mr Sullivan was charged with the offence when the program went to air, but maintained the footage was crucial for the sake of the show.

    “You’re willing to pay a criminal and someone who was deliberately inciting the crowd just for sensationalism, for ABC ratings,” Mr Abetz asked. “Isn’t there a moral compass you apply to this even if you do want that footage. “That’s not the standard I would expect from our national broadcaster.”
    Also,

    Statement from Craig McLachlan about ABC/Nine dodgy litigation tactics - courtesy Peter Ford

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/202...eter-ford.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Bros, as a moderator you fail in the moderation department badly when it comes to your personal agenda.
    Please avoid personal comments especially about money.
    Seriously Marc? Readers of Renovate Forum won't be impressed by your faux outrage; for years you yourself have proclaimed to the point of tedium that money is not an impediment to your doing whatever you want to do. Should a moderator have deleted those posts?
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    Agree, Marc complaining to mods about derogatory comments is a bit much after what he has got away with over the years.

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    Agree.

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    Agree also

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    People 'sick' of having their lives put on hold by health advice 'no one is allowed to see'




    Victorians are now "despairing" about the whole management of the coronavirus pandemic after the state government gave "no hint' about the future of the lockdown, according to Sky News host Peta Credlin.

    "Their fates are in the hands of people addicted to the phrase 'health advice', yet who never actually publish the health advice so that it can be exposed to scrutiny ... and who will never ever give us a roadmap out of this wretched stop-start life," Ms Credlin said.
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    Aftermath of Mount Dandenong Storms June 9th 2021



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    The Andrews government is using “every legal trick in the book” to try and avoid releasing secret messages between Daniel Andrews and his chief of staff, according to Victorian Liberal MP David Davis.

    One question left unanswered in the wake of Melbourne’s hotel quarantine debacle - which led to the deaths of over 800 Victorians – is who made the decision to hire private security rather than police or ADF to guard the hotel quarantine program.

    The messages between Premier Daniel Andrews and his chief of staff potentially hold answers, and the Victorian opposition is now pushing to make them public under Freedom of Information laws.

    Mr Davis said he is unsure exactly what the messages contain, but “they moved between Daniel Andrews and his Chief of Staff Lissie Ratcliff”. “We know that the texts between Lissie Ratcliff and Daniel Andrews were also provided to the Coate Inquiry, Coate didn’t make them public, and that I think is a mistake,” he told Sky News host Peta Credlin.
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    About 2 minutes worth starting at 1 hr 17min 30 secs

    Kelvin Glare AO APM was the Chief Commissioner of Victoria Police from 1987-1992 and has a long career history of fighting crime and corruption both within and outside police forces.
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    Self-Employed Australia CEO Ken Phillips says the slow investigation into the failures of hotel quarantine by WorkSafe Victoria is ‘completely unacceptable’.

    Mr Phillips wrote to WorkSafe Victoria last September demanding they investigate and launch prosecutions over failings in the state’s hotel quarantine system which led accounted for over 800 deaths in the state's second wave of COVID-19.

    Speaking to Sky News host Peta Credlin, Mr Phillips said WorkSafe “say that they started the investigation into the hotel quarantine deaths some three to four months after the event". “Very simply, to wait that long before they admit they started investigation is really of itself a very, very high concern.

    “It raises questions about the operation of WorkSafe, about the integrity of the justice system in Victoria. Everyone should be concerned. “Remembering the largest mass deaths from one event in Victoria’s history - they should have a massive team working on this."


    https://www.selfemployedaustralia.co...SEA-290621.pdf

    https://www.selfemployedaustralia.co...afe-290621.pdf
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    This is the story of Slug Gate. It's a true tale of a family catering business targeted by an unethical council and destroyed with the help of Brett Sutton, Dan Andrews and a mysteriously appearing slug.

    On the back of an 86 year old woman's death, iCook foods was publicly accused of infecting a Knox Private Hospital patient with listeria. What is less well known is that the Dandenong Council (who led the investigation) had a CEO who was shareholder and on the board of iCook's competitor Community Chef.

    Coincidentally, the hospital contract went straight to Community Chef after iCook was shut down on the orders of Brett Sutton.

    New security camera footage shows just how implausible and politically motivated this closure could be, and warns that if they can do this to family owned iCook Foods, then no food business in Victoria is safe.

    There is much we couldn't fit into this report, such as the Dandenong Council whistleblower who usually inspected iCook foods. She brought evidence that the Council pressured her to alter previous reports on iCook foods to support the council's new claim of lysteria:
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    Former Victoria Police Detective Paul Brady says the motivation behind "Slug Gate" was to get iCook Foods out of the way from competing against the government sponsored Community Chef so it could receive "unlimited public funding".

    In February 2019, a Dandenong council health inspector allegedly planted a slug on the floor of an iCook Foods processing plant. The business was eventually shut down by the Victorian state government. "The motivation was to get iCook Foods out of the way because they were the only competitor of the government sponsored community chef who are also food suppliers to the same or similar customers to iCook Foods," Mr Brady told Sky News host Peta Credlin.


    "Now once they got Ian Cook and his company out of the way that would then make them an essential service which would then guarantee them public funding – so they would've had unlimited funding. "Bearing in mind this company had been going since 2009, they've been bankrolled by the federal and state governments to nearly the tune of $30 million and yet they've lost money every year."
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    I remember seeing that slug sometime back on a current affair, there is no doubt it was a plant.

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    Grubby stuff happens in NSW too, Camelia land acquisition, Campbells Stores site, Fish Market property deals, Western Sydney Airport land acquisitions, Transurban and the list would go on and on.

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    Wow, first I've heard of this. Absolutely mind blowing how this corruption at a council and state level has been allowed to florish....although not entirely surprising given council's everywhere are full of corruption and anyone in labor state gov coming from the union movement is corrupt at their core ie Andrews....someone who has attempted to sell out Vic to the CCP, blows $1Billion in tax payers money to cancel a contract for the east/west link set up by the previous gov and spends hundreds on millions over budget on building his desal plant run by his union mates

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    I remember seeing that slug sometime back on a current affair, there is no doubt it was a plant.
    Yes, I think it was in 2019 when it happened, not sure what the eventual outcome will be.
    Posted by John2b, And no, BEVs are not going to save the planet, which doesn't need saving anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart1080 View Post
    Wow, first I've heard of this. Absolutely mind blowing how this corruption at a council and state level has been allowed to florish....although not entirely surprising given council's everywhere are full of corruption and anyone in labor state gov coming from the union movement is corrupt at their core ie Andrews....someone who has attempted to sell out Vic to the CCP, blows $1Billion in tax payers money to cancel a contract for the east/west link set up by the previous gov and spends hundreds on millions over budget on building his desal plant run by his union mates
    Don't make unsupported assumptions, this has little to do with the state government but there are issues with the health inspector and council flowing through to state legal avenues. The main take away is a small business was screwed on a local level from what I can see.

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    Unsupported assumption ...
    If an assumption is defined as ... a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof ...
    Then an assumption in order to be so, needs not having proof that supports it's validity, like an hypothesis or theory.
    Therefore ... to say unsupported assumption is ... an oxymoron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnc View Post
    Don't make unsupported assumptions, this has little to do with the state government but there are issues with the health inspector and council flowing through to state legal avenues. The main take away is a small business was screwed on a local level from what I can see.
    It may be an assumption that the state is in the thick of it, but certainty not an assumption that they are corrupt at the core.
    Its either massive incompetence or corruption ....is my assumption ...either way, they all need to be held accountable and has everything to do with both local and state gov..

    see the 9 to 9.30min mark in the interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdk1K51QvAY
    Brett Sutton making the public press conference of the closure due to someone that died and thousands could be at risk when in the report sent to him says the person that died, didn't consume any food from Icook and the Listeria levels was well bellow unsafe levels and therefor of no concern.

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    Why this covid-cop threatens to ARREST a law-abiding couple

    A couple left a supermarket in Greater Geelong when Sergeant Weir confronted them because the husband pulled down his mask ONE metre before exiting the shopping centre. WATCH & SHARE what happened next.
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    Posted by John2b, And no, BEVs are not going to save the planet, which doesn't need saving anyway.

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    I wonder what the CCTV revealed...

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