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    Hi,

    I will shortly be installing a Rayburn slow combustion stove into a relocatable home. I intend to lay Hebel blocks at the sides and the back of the stove but don't know what to use for a hearth. Does anyone have any suggestions? The blocks and the hearth will be tiled to match the kitchen.

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    G'day Alison,
    By "hearth" do you mean the external slab that the stove sits on?

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    Sorry,
    That was a really stupid post...what I meant was.....what's the floor structure like under where the stove will sit.
    Would it handle a coupe of pre-cast concrete slabe??
    Having said all that..I'm off to bed for the second time tonight.

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    a rayburn... you lucky bastard!!!!!!!!

    Anyway, you should be able to contact AGA australia to find out whats required, they will be able to tell you exactly what, where and when.

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    PuppyPaw - thanks for your advice - seems logical really - I will be lucky if and when it is installed and running !!!!!

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    Watson - the floor is a timber sheet flooring which I don't think would take pre-cast concrete slabs - I guess AGA australia is the place to start - thanks anyway ....

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    Allison, I have a Rayburn, it's mounted on slate over concrete, the things weigh a ton, what is your timber sheet flooring mounted over?
    BTW good luck with Aga Aust, wont go into detail here, but can enlarge in a pm if your interested.
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    Hi Alison,
    You need to check with Hebel regarding the suitability of Hebel as a fireplace surround. I know it has a high fire rating but it would be worth double checking.

    If it was me, I would be lining the inside of the hebel with at least 10mm thick sheets and the floor as well. And then on top of the cement sheet on the floor a bed of fire rated bricks.

    Failing that you can get ready made slate hearths from any fireplace seller.

    Either way I would be getting professional advice.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alison View Post
    Watson - the floor is a timber sheet flooring which I don't think would take pre-cast concrete slabs - I guess AGA australia is the place to start - thanks anyway ....
    Your floor would not have any trouble taking precast slabs, the weight distribution is great enough to allow the bearers to absorb the weight. As for a suitable hearth I'm afraid I have no idea at all. The weight of the stove may be a different matter.

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    What made you go for the rayburn over an aga heat storage cookers?
    I'm hankering for the 4 oven and the heat warmer. But alas, not until I own a place of my own.

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    The house is a relocatable home that has been relocated onto concrete piers. The floor sits about 50 cm off the ground and has timber beams which the flooring sheets are attached to. The stove is already in the house (not operating) and I' just starting to try and figure out how it will be installed. I had thought some sort of sheeting may be available but I guess I will need to check with the local Council and the Building Codes to find out what thickness is required etc.

    I had spoken to Aga Aust before but not regarding this point. I did not find them very helpful then.

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    Thank you. I must admit I haven't seen any of the precast concrete but depending on the thickness and weight I think thats what I'm looking for. I trip to Bunnings may be my next move.

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    I had no choice in the selection. This is a Rayburn Royale and it has a hot water attachment. I intend to get it into place and then research the hot water system but, of course, I want to get the walls around it and floor sorted first.

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    I agree with most of the others Alison, for a job of this nature get some expert advice, a mistake could be at best inconvenient and at worst catastrophic, do it right the first time and you wont regret it.
    A Rayburn Royale eh, the very same model I have, take some getting used to but once you have used it for a while I feel sure you will be tickled pink, the hot water service is a bonus during the winter months, we have ours plumbed into the kitchen and bathroom, good luck with your project.
    Re the company you spoke to, wait till you try to do business with them, it's an education.
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    Santalum

    The house is a relocatable home that has been relocated onto concrete piers. The floor sits about 50 cm off the ground and has timber beams which the flooring sheets are attached to. The stove is already in the house (not operating) and I' just starting to try and figure out how it will be installed. I had thought some sort of sheeting may be available but I guess I will need to check with the local Council and the Building Codes to find out what thickness is required etc.

    I had spoken to Aga Aust before but not regarding this point. I did not find them very helpful then.

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    Save yourself some heart ache Alison sort the plumbing out or at least make provision for it before you install the stove.
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    Puppypaw

    I had no choice in the selection. This is a Rayburn Royale and it has a hot water attachment. I intend to get it into place and then research the hot water system but, of course, I want to get the walls around it and floor sorted first.

    Thanks
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    hmmmmmm, from my research doesn't the cooker with integrated water heater requires a heat sump of some sort so stop over heating.. is that correct?

    http://www.agacentral.com/index.html I found this site a while ago whilest researching aga cookers there might be some interesting information for you and they may be able to answer your question better!

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    Not to the best of my knowledge, I have the installation instructions down south, will dig them out next week and check, btw Alison if a copy of these would help perhaps it can be arranged.
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    hmmmmmm, from my research doesn't the cooker with integrated water heater requires a heat sump of some sort so stop over heating.. is that correct?

    http://www.agacentral.com/index.html I found this site a while ago whilest researching aga cookers there might be some interesting information for you and they may be able to answer your question better!
    Jon.

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    Hi, last year I was looking around trying to find information on my wood stove (a wellstood), and I found this company on the net
    http://www.scandiastoves.com.au/secondhand.html
    They manufacture replacement cast iron parts, and recondition old wood stoves.
    They were very helpful answering some of my questions about my stove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alison View Post
    Puppypaw

    I had no choice in the selection. This is a Rayburn Royale and it has a hot water attachment. I intend to get it into place and then research the hot water system but, of course, I want to get the walls around it and floor sorted first.

    Thanks
    Alison
    Hi Alison

    I installed an Everhot slow combustion stove about 23 years ago in my place. I have a concrete floor but I reckon you could get a sheet of 20mm thick compressed cement sheet and put over the floor and that would give enough protection.

    On the walls I have fibro fixed to a steel frame with tiles on the fibro. I have about a 100mm gap all around the stove and the walls don't even get warm and the floor doesn't even get warm. Most of the heat comes of the hot plates on the top.

    My main concern would be with the flue especially with a timber framed home. There is recommendations on how to install flues which are pretty important with clearances from timber.

    The installation instruction that came with the stove recommended a double flue where it goes through the ceiling and that double flue was filled with Mineral Rock Wool Insulation and that is mainly to keep the internal flue hot so as to maintain a good draught.

    Anyway here you go for Rayburn installation instructions and everything you wanted to know.

    http://www.theagashop.com.au/NewFile...tallsolid.html

    Or a bit more information.

    http://www.aga-ranges.com/_store/prodimages/2and4%20oven%20installation%20manual.pdf

    Google is your friend again and again.

    If you are retrofitting a tank I used a Breamar gravity feed tank as it comes with both a slow combustion inlet and outlet as well as a solar inlet and outlet as I run three solar panels with mine which operates on an auto syphon cycle to circulate the water. This tank also has an electric element in it for backup.
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    Jon

    Thanks for your advice. There will be a builder/carpenter calling by over Easter who may have some advice. I had contacted the company mentioned to see if I could get any literature/installation instructions for the stove. They didn't have a clue. I contacted Aga in England at JSimmons@aga-web.co.uk Jim Simmons was very helpful and emailed the literature and offered further advice, if needed. I didn't think he could help with Australian building codes and products though !!!!.

    My research into the Rayburn and its installation and use has only just begun and I thank you for your tips. I have been told there is nothing quite like a baked dinner cooked in the Rayburn .....

    Alison

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    Alison
    The installation instructions I have were supplied with the stove, They are quite crudly presented i.e. type written with basic line drawings but its all there, as I said if you would like a copy will organize for you.
    Your right the Rayburn Royale is a great stove to cook on, however there is a pretty steep learning curve, temperature control is the biggest hurdle once you've mastered that its all good.
    I would suggest you get the fire bricks checked out before you install it and replace any broken or cracked ones.
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    Jon

    Thanks for your advice. There will be a builder/carpenter calling by over Easter who may have some advice. I had contacted the company mentioned to see if I could get any literature/installation instructions for the stove. They didn't have a clue. I contacted Aga in England at JSimmons@aga-web.co.uk Jim Simmons was very helpful and emailed the literature and offered further advice, if needed. I didn't think he could help with Australian building codes and products though !!!!.

    My research into the Rayburn and its installation and use has only just begun and I thank you for your tips. I have been told there is nothing quite like a baked dinner cooked in the Rayburn .....

    Alison
    Jon.

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    Bazza

    WOW thanks for all the info. I have been given a copy of Australian Building Codes Board "Acceptable Flue installation Details" which should help. I'm following your thoughts regarding the flooring.... The flue pipes are somewhere in the shed and I will get them out.

    I intend to get a plumber out to give me some advice regarding the hot water ........... its all a big learning curve.

    Thanks again for your comprehensive information.

    Alison

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    Thanks Jon

    Jim Simmons at Aga England emailed me installation instructions for the Rayburn 212SFW and tells me it is the same for the Royal

    Thanks anyway

    Alison

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