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    I'd recommend Panasonic.

    Good performance AND value for money.

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    Food for thought. Today ive installed 2 systems. 1x fujitsu 3.5kw 1800 installed. 1x fujitsu 5 kw 2100 installed. Im about to put in a fujitsu 9.2kw. 3500 installed.

    2500 would get a 7kw in most brands (quality) installed. If its a daikin 5 or 6 for 2500, id find a different manufacturer because in reality daikin are over priced. Its the sole reason i stopped my partnership with them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian7886 View Post
    Food for thought. Today ive installed 2 systems. 1x fujitsu 3.5kw 1800 installed. 1x fujitsu 5 kw 2100 installed. Im about to put in a fujitsu 9.2kw. 3500 installed.

    2500 would get a 7kw in most brands (quality) installed. If its a daikin 5 or 6 for 2500, id find a different manufacturer because in reality daikin are over priced. Its the sole reason i stopped my partnership with them
    I reckon this is reasonable and a good guide.

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    seeing some stuff on this site that seem well priced

    MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC 4.2KW WHITE SIGNATURE SERIES INVERTER SPLIT SYSTEM

    also 4.2kw systems which may be just right as goldilocks said.

    still hearing Daikin are highly regarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shauck View Post
    seeing some stuff on this site that seem well priced

    MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC 4.2KW WHITE SIGNATURE SERIES INVERTER SPLIT SYSTEM

    also 4.2kw systems which may be just right as goldilocks said.

    still hearing Daikin are highly regarded.
    That's a nice looking unit and could well be the best size for your space.
    My neighbour had a Daiken and the head unit went a horrible shade of yellow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    That's a nice looking unit and could well be the best size for your space.
    My neighbour had a Daiken and the head unit went a horrible shade of yellow.
    he he

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    We have a large Electrolux. No issues over about 12 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian7886 View Post
    Food for thought. Today ive installed 2 systems. 1x fujitsu 3.5kw 1800 installed. 1x fujitsu 5 kw 2100 installed. Im about to put in a fujitsu 9.2kw. 3500 installed.

    2500 would get a 7kw in most brands (quality) installed. If its a daikin 5 or 6 for 2500, id find a different manufacturer because in reality daikin are over priced. Its the sole reason i stopped my partnership with them
    I thought you didn't think highly of Fujitsu?

    I have 3 Fujitsu's and 1 Panasonic. I [IMG][/IMG[IMG][/IMG]]think the Panasonic is better value. Both work well.

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    Urgggh. Wife got a cold from the disease ridden AC inhabitants at her work. Now she is generously passing it on to me. Sharing the love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1 View Post
    I thought you didn't think highly of Fujitsu?

    I have 3 Fujitsu's and 1 Panasonic. I [IMG][/IMG[IMG][/IMG]]think the Panasonic is better value. Both work well.
    mate Fujitsu arent my top unit. But im now a fuji dealer. 3 reasons

    1. Competitive market. Fujitsu have a high RRP but sell to us for such a low price we can match places like harvey norman, bing lee, beta, good guys, even when they have their crazy sales on. And we offer the full package of sale, install and are warranty agents. This is something that most of the retailers wont be able to offer. This gets us over the line on majority of sales when these places are in the picture
    2. Popularity. People see Fujitsu everywhere, regardless of anything else, people buy what they have heard of. Like above, Daikin has this perception of being 2nd to none. There is a big reason for that…….they only sell through specialist dealers, and that ensures quality workmanship on install, minimising unnecessary call outs.
    3. Range. Fujitsu is one brand that offers a product for any application.

    I myself have in my current home an 8kw Panasonic unit in the living and a 2.5kw MHI in the bedroom.

    I sell those 3 in my day to day sales. Panasonic can be a bit pricier, and their other let down is current 8kw units are twin fan outdoor and high. MHI, Fujitsu etc dont go that tall until the 9.2

    Fujitsu had a poor range of units around 2006-2007. This has not been the case since really.

    We are working a great partnership with Fujitsu and getting some really good jobs out of Fujitsu's backing of their dealers. Other brands arent so great in that regard. And expect you to work within a $100 margin from purchase price to Sell price. for $100 its not even worth trying to sell them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ringtail View Post
    Urgggh. Wife got a cold from the disease ridden AC inhabitants at her work. Now she is generously passing it on to me. Sharing the love.
    Soooooooo, that would make your wife an AC inhabitant? but she may have actually got the cold from you (because you are obviously the stronger being and didn't present symptons as early as her) and she spread it to her workmates...

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    I'm an electrician not an A/C installer, but a few observations.

    Fujitsu - personally I wouldn't buy one, simply because they don't seem to go the distance in the long term. I've heard a few too many horror stories of major failures (uneconomic to repair) after around 6 years (let me guess, they come with a 5 year warranty?) and I'm all too aware of their dud control boards some years ago - not sure if they have improved or not but the design was truly rotten at one point. That plus their heating performance struggles when it's close to zero outside, thus making them a poor choice here in Tas where heating is the only real reason for buying such a system in the first place.

    Panasonic - does the job, only ever heard one real complaint about quality.

    Daikin - works well and, here in Tas at least, their marketing is helped by having had implicit state government backing via the electricity industry since the late 1980's. Over the years Hydro and then Aurora have pushed heat pumps (the universally used Tassie term for what everyone else calls reverse cycle A/C) extremely hard with advertising, and it just so happens that they've always featured Daikin products. End result is that Daikin has a huge market share in Tas, certainly more dealers than most other brands combined, and all without any real need to directly advertise themselves. How reliable they really are I'm not sure, though I haven't heard any complaints, but they certainly do work extremely well for heating when it's seriously cold outside. That point, heating performance, being the underlying reason for the power industry's implicit backing - for quite some time the electricity industry itself was providing a consumer warranty (over and above the manufacturer's warranty) regarding the heating performance of such systems.

    Mitsubishi Electric - does the job. Never heard of any real problems with them.

    LG - no experience with their air-conditioners. But if some of their other products are any indication then I wouldn't consider them as a high quality brand.

    All that said, I haven't got around to getting one of these systems yet. But at some point I will, and at that time I'll look at real energy efficiency performance data, heating performance at low temps, and reliability track record to make a decision. Based on last time I looked at that for someone (parents) a couple of years ago, well let's just say they ended up with a Daikin. Efficiency was second place after MHI, both have a good reliability record, not much difference in price, but Daikin has 10+ times more dealers so presumably better parts availability should something go wrong down the track.

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    To mention again, my two Fujitsus, old and older, have no issues at all. My sister's Panasonic ducted had problems after about 4 years. If a system is to be rubbished then a compilation of stats should be looked at rather than the anecdotals.

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    U say fujitsu are uneconomical to repair. Then stay away from daikin. Condensor fan failure= replacement of fan and 4, yes 4! Pcbs on the outdoor unit.

    And parts are dear. Fujitsu lg mhi panasonic all have incredible parts supply, and cheap. And only 1 pcb each in the outdoor. Dont look back 20 years or even 10 years at what was good. Technology has changed theres no cap start cap run compressors now. Its all electronics. And in that daikin are no more superior than any other brand

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    So, still wondering which models (not just makes) would be recommended for the really hot weather. I'm not that concerned if one is a couple hundred dollars more than another. Not if there's significant benefits to be had.

    It would seem slimmer models may have a lower efficiency, would that be right? Having said this, so long as it works on the day, that's the primary goal.

    MITSUBISHI ELECTRIC 4.2KW WHITE SIGNATURE SERIES INVERTER SPLIT SYSTEM Are Mitsubishi Electric worth considering such as this one? I like it because it's depth is only 195mm and most are 230-ish or some are even more which would stick out more visually.

    CS/CU-E15PKR PANASONIC 4.4KW ECONAVI INVERTER SPLIT SYSTEM This Panasonic is well priced I think and it's depth is slightly more but less than most and it's EER is better than the Mitsubishi Electric in link above (3.67)

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3nov8or View Post
    Soooooooo, that would make your wife an AC inhabitant? but she may have actually got the cold from you (because you are obviously the stronger being and didn't present symptons as early as her) and she spread it to her workmates...
    Nah, it's all her She is surrounded by sniffling, coughing, sneezing carriers day in, day out. I'm amazed it took this long actually.

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    Here's another good looking option. Slightly higher price but even smaller unit and better EER (3.82).

    FUJITSU 5.0KW INVERTER SPLIT SYSTEM "DESIGNER RANGE"

    Whatcha reckon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shauck View Post
    Here's another good looking option. Slightly higher price but even smaller unit and better EER (3.82).

    FUJITSU 5.0KW INVERTER SPLIT SYSTEM "DESIGNER RANGE"

    Whatcha reckon?
    That looks nice too.
    A couple of things, see if you can get a bit of an assessment of the immediate floor area to be conditioned, don't so much factor in the adjoining areas. Get the size recommended plus some more. If you get too much more you might find the temperature sensor doesn't control the unit well and it might run when you prefer it not to run. The sensors are generally rubbish anyway and all units should be provisioned with a remotely located sensor IMO.
    Also, watch for the decibel ratings of the indoor head unit as in a small area you would want a quiet fan noise.

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    I just got back from installing a 5kw fuji in the designer range. Great little unit. U will be restricted by height as when it runs the front face lifts up to allow air in and air out. Depending on what you have cornise wise this may restrict u

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    The floor area in living/kitchen is 18m2 the two bedrooms which are directly off this area (doorways always open) are 18m2. I figured that 36m2 just puts it into the 5kw range (based on other info too - calculated as 3.9kw required)

    So maybe stick with the 4.2kw Mitsubishi Electric? 5kw would be too much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian7886 View Post
    I just got back from installing a 5kw fuji in the designer range. Great little unit. U will be restricted by height as when it runs the front face lifts up to allow air in and air out. Depending on what you have cornise wise this may restrict u
    Ah. Ok. How much room does it need above it?

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    Even though the other rooms may be open, the air doesn't circulate there as the door openings are too small for this and it really takes forever for much temperature change to happen there, can be a bit of a losing battle. Factoring in those extra rooms may not work out well and depends how much opportunity there is for the air to travel further to those parts. I would consider ceiling fans as previously suggested for the bedrooms as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian7886 View Post
    U say fujitsu are uneconomical to repair. Then stay away from daikin. Condensor fan failure= replacement of fan and 4, yes 4! Pcbs on the outdoor unit.
    If the fan failing causes the boards to break then that's a terrible design. No doubt about that.

    To be honest, I think these systems have been made unnecessarily complex with more electronics than necessary and it seems to be the electronics which lead to trouble in most cases.

    I know someone who had an older Panasonic unit. Installed 1997, left running 24/7/365, broke down 2012 and replaced. That's the sort of lifespan I'd expect from such a system really. Refrigeration system + fans = both long established technolgies that *shoudln't* break down too soon.

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    1997 it would have had 1 control board, fan caps, start and run caps.

    Blame the demand for cheaper to run appliances for the current state of the game.

    Mass produced, profit profit profit. Cheaper components, lesser quality. Its the world we live in

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    Even though the other rooms may be open, the air doesn't circulate there as the door openings are too small for this and it really takes forever for much temperature change to happen there, can be a bit of a losing battle. Factoring in those extra rooms may not work out well and depends how much opportunity there is for the air to travel further to those parts. I would consider ceiling fans as previously suggested for the bedrooms as well.
    Just can't do ceiling fans. If you could see the room size and ceiling heights and limited space, you'd nod your head.

    Surely it will work to some extent?

    Are you saying I'd end up with a too big system (say 4.2kw) for the 18m2 lounge, (which would cause problems of it's own) and none of it will work on the rest of the 18m2 bedrooms.

    I find that hard to believe. Surely it'd drop the bedroom temps enough to make them bearable. Maybe not to same temp as living room but....

    I figure this may be ridiculous but what about a little bit of cross flow air at the same time, assuming the air is moving at all as sometimes on those nights, it doesn't. The windows in living and kitchen are directly opposite windows/doors in bedrooms. This would mean letting in a bit of outside air which by late afternoon towards night time may be of similar temp, slightly cooler even to indoors temp.

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    Su, if you crack ( only needs to be open 10 mm) a window open in those rooms air will be drawn into them. Watch the prevailing wind direction though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ringtail View Post
    Su, if you crack ( only needs to be open 10 mm) a window open in those rooms air will be drawn into them. Watch the prevailing wind direction though.
    Awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shauck View Post
    Just can't do ceiling fans. If you could see the room size and ceiling heights and limited space, you'd nod your head.

    Surely it will work to some extent?

    Are you saying I'd end up with a too big system (say 4.2kw) for the 18m2 lounge, (which would cause problems of it's own) and none of it will work on the rest of the 18m2 bedrooms.

    I find that hard to believe. Surely it'd drop the bedroom temps enough to make them bearable. Maybe not to same temp as living room but....

    I figure this may be ridiculous but what about a little bit of cross flow air at the same time, assuming the air is moving at all as sometimes on those nights, it doesn't. The windows in living and kitchen are directly opposite windows/doors in bedrooms. This would mean letting in a bit of outside air which by late afternoon towards night time may be of similar temp, slightly cooler even to indoors temp.
    Can only comment from my own experience. On the very hot evenings, even having aircon on for several hours, the cool air just would not travel along the hall into the open rooms and I have tried cracking the windows open even placing fans in front of the doorways to draw a/c air into the rooms. Only if the aircon was running non-stop all day would cooler air eventually get into the bedrooms. I guess this is why ducted and multi-head systems are installed.
    (ok no ceiling fans, but ceilings 2.4m high are sufficiently high enough for a fan).

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    the cool air just would not travel along the hall into the open rooms.
    No hallway here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shauck View Post
    No hallway here.
    You should fare better than me but I still feel there will be unexpected delay cooling the rooms. The small areas will help your cause though. Maybe someone else can advise on this aspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    You should fare better than me
    hopefully

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    Quote Originally Posted by shauck View Post
    hopefully
    Best to try and locate the wall unit towards those rooms rather than away.

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    Despite my hatred of the things, I have lived in a few houses with AC. All have had one big split in the main living area and the bedrooms got by with ceiling fans. All we did was open the furtherest window a smidge and you could feel the cooler air coming into the room. By no means was it as cold as being in the main room but it works. We also used to turn the ceiling fans onto winter mode which would lift the cooler air up of the floor a bit more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ringtail View Post
    Despite my hatred of the things, I have lived in a few houses with AC. All have had one big split in the main living area and the bedrooms got by with ceiling fans. All we did was open the furtherest window a smidge and you could feel the cooler air coming into the room. By no means was it as cold as being in the main room but it works. We also used to turn the ceiling fans onto winter mode which would lift the cooler air up of the floor a bit more.
    When I did this all I got was a blast of furnace air coming in, suppose it's a hard thing to know what will happen.

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    Su you could always install a small air transfer system 150mm inline fan and some insulated ducting, not perfect but I was happy with ours for what it is, bigger is better of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moondog55 View Post
    Su you could always install a small air transfer system 150mm inline fan and some insulated ducting, not perfect but I was happy with ours for what it is, bigger is better of course
    I too once thought this might be worth a go, where did you set up the transfer points? I thought it would need to feed in at floor level for summer and ceiling for winter.

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    I have an air transfer system although it's currently used to move hot air only (since I don't have any form of A/C).

    Intake is above the freestanding wood heater and it goes to 3 outlets (one in each bedroom). Fan and main duct are 250mm, branching off to 3 x 150mm ducts to the outlets. Intake and outlets are both in the ceiling, with the airflow directed straight down from the outlets (removing the air diffuser massively improved performance).

    It works brilliantly. Prior to installing it, it would be 12 degrees in the bedrooms and 28 degrees in the living area. Now it's easily possible to maintain the whole house at the same temperature. Indeed by removing the hot air near the ceiling, it has even improved comfort a bit near the fire itself.

    There's also a 3.5kW electric heater inline with the system for when I can't be bothered to light the fire. Just switch that on and it heats the bedrooms directly. Thermostat in the main bedroom controls the heating element (fan is manually on or off).

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    When I did this all I got was a blast of furnace air coming in, suppose it's a hard thing to know what will happen.
    Depends on the prevailing wind direction and it strength. All sorts of things happen with positive and negative pressures depending on what gets opened and where. Opening a window perpendicular to the flow of outside air would be useless but opening a window on the lee side or even parallel to the wind direction will create a area of lower pressure as the wind moves past the opening. This should, in theory, cause the inside air to drawn out the window.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moondog55 View Post
    Su you could always install a small air transfer system 150mm inline fan and some insulated ducting, not perfect but I was happy with ours for what it is, bigger is better of course
    Do you mean to remove the hot air near the ceiling and dump it outside or to take the cool air from the living space, near the floor and pump it into the bedrooms?

    Maybe in the next house this could be used in the upstairs bedrooms in summer. I'll be wanting to do some serious heating/cooling control in that house. It will be a 45deg pitched roof with rooms in the roof space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ringtail View Post
    Depends on the prevailing wind direction and it strength. All sorts of things happen with positive and negative pressures depending on what gets opened and where. Opening a window perpendicular to the flow of outside air would be useless but opening a window on the lee side or even parallel to the wind direction will create a area of lower pressure as the wind moves past the opening. This should, in theory, cause the inside air to drawn out the window.
    Ah sailing references. I recently had it explained to me how a sail works and I found it fascinating. It's not air pushing the sail, it's being pulled, due to air flow in front of the sail being faster than behind it. Something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shauck View Post
    Do you mean to remove the hot air near the ceiling and dump it outside or to take the cool air from the living space, near the floor and pump it into the bedrooms?

    Maybe in the next house this could be used in the upstairs bedrooms in summer. I'll be wanting to do some serious heating/cooling control in that house. It will be a 45deg pitched roof with rooms in the roof space.
    It moves air from one room to another Su; it works better to move warm air from ceiling level but it also works to move warm air to allow cooled air to move higher in the room

    Our system would work much better if we had used the proper sized fan and duct work but 150mm was what we got cheap on ebay.
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    Sorry, been overseas for a few weeks so haven't been able to reply. If you really want to guarantee that on the one or two days in Daylesford (not Melbourne or Sydney) that you have high heat & humidity then refrigerated split system is the go. If you choose a heat pump model then it has the added advantage of allowing you to quickly take the edge off in those periods (in autumn & spring - even a cold snap in summer where you are) when you don't really want to be bothered lighting up the slow combustion.

    Daikin and Fujitsu and Panasonic & LG are all OK - these are sold in the thousands so stories of one off bad experiences (or good ones) are no more than that- stories. All 'brand' names have similar life times & performance else they get whacked in the market place.

    There is great benefit in running costs to go for a higher star rating than a lower one, but if you really are selling then that's a benefit mostly to the next owners. Good comparisons can be found here: Cooling | Energy Rating and here: Air Conditioners - AS/NZS 3823.2 and here: Air Conditioners - AS/NZS 3823.2

    Once you have a list of model numbers and the indicative price go to stores or online Air Conditioning | Appliances Online and negotiate - you'll always get a better deal, but include installation cost too.
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    Sorry, been overseas for a few weeks so haven't been able to reply. If you really want to guarantee that on the one or two days in Daylesford (not Melbourne or Sydney) that you have high heat & humidity then refrigerated split system is the go. If you choose a heat pump model then it has the added advantage of allowing you to quickly take the edge off in those periods (in autumn & spring - even a cold snap in summer where you are) when you don't really want to be bothered lighting up the slow combustion.

    Daikin and Fujitsu and Panasonic & LG are all OK - these are sold in the thousands so stories of one off bad experiences (or good ones) are no more than that- stories. All 'brand' names have similar life times & performance else they get whacked in the market place.

    There is great benefit in running costs to go for a higher star rating than a lower one, but if you really are selling then that's a benefit mostly to the next owners. Good comparisons can be found here: Cooling | Energy Rating and here: Air Conditioners - AS/NZS 3823.2 and here: Air Conditioners - AS/NZS 3823.2

    Once you have a list of model numbers and the indicative price go to stores or online Air Conditioning | Appliances Online and negotiate - you'll always get a better deal, but include installation cost too.
    not true. Daikin have a 'good' reputation but when it comes to break down rates, ease of repair and parts they are left for dead by many brands. Where Daikin have always been smart is they restrict their dealerships to more specialist guys, rather than harvey norman, who then employ some guy who just throws it in the house and walks away. Daikin dealers are just that, dealers, they have good training on the product service etc, and stand by the product. You wont find many quality air con companies selling LG as they arent reliable at all. Its not a product you will stand by. Daikin arent either to me, and i wont even get into an argument about that. But what is ensured with Daikin is good reliable service from the dealer. And this almost negates any ill feeling toward the unit when it fails, as a specialist will sort it out with ease.

    Fujitsu has come ahead in leaps and bounds over the last 5 years. Their early inverter models were terrible, but the last few years have seen quality improve, and their parts supply and warranty claims department is probably the best that i deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian7886 View Post
    not true. Daikin have a 'good' reputation but when it comes to break down rates, ease of repair and parts they are left for dead by many brands. Where Daikin have always been smart is they restrict their dealerships to more specialist guys, rather than harvey norman, who then employ some guy who just throws it in the house and walks away. Daikin dealers are just that, dealers, they have good training on the product service etc, and stand by the product. You wont find many quality air con companies selling LG as they arent reliable at all. Its not a product you will stand by. Daikin arent either to me, and i wont even get into an argument about that. But what is ensured with Daikin is good reliable service from the dealer. And this almost negates any ill feeling toward the unit when it fails, as a specialist will sort it out with ease.

    Fujitsu has come ahead in leaps and bounds over the last 5 years. Their early inverter models were terrible, but the last few years have seen quality improve, and their parts supply and warranty claims department is probably the best that i deal with.
    A big claim for one not wanting to get into an argument . . . saying a general comment to stick to major brands is 'not true' and then suggesting Daikin is worse than others.

    Just another anecdote - markets are very good at sorting this stuff out.

    I have no brand preference - my point is that all brands can have their issues and mainly that I prefer better known to 'no-name' brands, that's all.

    In the commercial world (unit developers etc) Daikin, Fujitsu, Panasonic & Mitsubishi are all very common. With A/C 'you get what you pay for' seems to have high relevance.

    As to 'quality A/C companies' - most people have no way of telling so really on word of mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloss View Post
    A big claim for one not wanting to get into an argument . . . saying a general comment to stick to major brands is 'not true' and then suggesting Daikin is worse than others.

    Just another anecdote - markets are very good at sorting this stuff out.

    I have no brand preference - my point is that all brands can have their issues and mainly that I prefer better known to 'no-name' brands, that's all.

    In the commercial world (unit developers etc) Daikin, Fujitsu, Panasonic & Mitsubishi are all very common. With A/C 'you get what you pay for' seems to have high relevance.

    As to 'quality A/C companies' - most people have no way of telling so really on word of mouth.
    ill take my word for it as i run an air conditioning company. Im a licensed electrician, refrigeration mechanic and boily. I have been a warranty service agent for over 15 years for every company you mentioned, this goes back beyond the introduction of the inverter air conditioners. Like i said, Daikin has always been a reputable brand, but if someone is telling you they are the ducks nuts they've either fallen for the Daikin sales ploy or they are giving you the Daikin sales ploy. As i said, their inverter air conditioners arent as reliable as their systems of 20 years ago. They have a domino effect in their computer boards which is nothing short of frustrating.

    You are right when you say most people have no way of knowing, but basically you will find a reputable person if you find an air con dealer is the guy who will install it, service it, take care of your warranty claim, repair it. Not just the guy who will sell it to you, then never come back when you have a problem.

    This is something you would find out just by asking the phone number you call

    and as for you thinking i was saying the more expensive arent better than the less….of course they are better, thats not what i was saying. There is basically 3 tiers in air conditioning (splits)

    Top - Panasonic, Mitsubishi heavy industries, mitsubishi electric, toshiba, fujitsu, daikin, lg (probably a bit borderline)

    Middle - Samsung, Teco, Kelvinator, Actron (split not ducted) Midea, Carrier (all those except Samsung are all made in china by Midea basically)

    Bottom - Akai, Stirling, Dux, Mistral etc. Basically anything you see in a super market or bunnings

    These are basically priced accordingly, and most in either tier would be similar in features etc. My issue isnt with what they can do and how well they can do it, its breakdown/reliability and price to repair (out of warranty)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian7886 View Post
    ... Basically anything you see in a super market ...
    What! You mean Aldi isn't a good place to buy an air conditioner... :eek:

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    Quote Originally Posted by OBBob View Post
    What! You mean Aldi isn't a good place to buy an air conditioner... :eek:
    haha definitely not. the warranty on those stirlings isnt worth the paper its printed on. Youd be surprised how many people buy those things, call us up, then complain its going to cost more to have it installed then they paid for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by OBBob View Post
    What! You mean Aldi isn't a good place to buy an air conditioner... :eek:
    They have a nice looking one on sale this week, good value if you don't mind risky!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian7886 View Post
    Top - Panasonic, Mitsubishi heavy industries, mitsubishi electric, toshiba, fujitsu, daikin, lg (probably a bit borderline)
    In a previous post you said that LG aren't reliable at all. So how can they be a "top" brand?

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    In a previous post you said that LG aren't reliable at all. So how can they be a "top" brand?
    did you miss where i wrote border line?

    I would consider it in between top and 2nd tier, but its basically priced (rrp) into that top tier sort of unit. If someone offered me any of Panasonic Mitsubishi (Heavy or Electric) Fujitsu, Daikin or Lg. Lg definitely wouldnt be the 1 i would take thats for sure. Panasonic to me would probably make the best quality, lowest break down rate and best performing air con (in split systems) on the market. Thats my opinion. And i rarely even sell them anymore (only because they supply in large quantities to retailers and they sell them for less than our cost most the time). We go to 10's of 1000s of breakdowns every year on air cons, sell 1000s and install 1000s more that we havent sold every year. I know what i wouldnt want in my house.

    Saying that LG have improved a great deal in the last few years. Their 'neo plasma' era of air cons were shocking. They do have a good parts supply though, generally over night every time

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