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    Well I thought i'd start a thread on my build.
    This is a huge project for me as I'm not a woodie, but love the craft.

    We have just got floor boards laid in our house and we were inspired to change our kitchen to something newer which was more practical to use.

    I convinced the wife that hiring a tradie to make us a kitchen is too expensive and that we could build our own, put in better quality material and fittings and still save money.
    I could also buy the tools i lacked and thus keep them for other projects.

    So we chose to use American Maple for the carcasses, hoop pine for the fascias and the bench top will be a light granite. The fascias would be painted at the end.

    So far I have managed to build the carcasses and I have added the beading around the fascias. A few pictures of where we are at in the build ....

    The sink is being trial fitted to confirm the height of the wood required underneath.
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    That is all looking great. I especially like the beading that you are putting around the fascias. Looking forward to seeing how the job develops. Just out of interest what tools are you using to make the cabinets?

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    I have the following equipment:

    1. 10" table saw with CMT dado set
    2. 6" jointer
    3. 6" Thicknesser
    4. Host of drills and sanders and routers (1/4" and 1/2" unit).
    5. I also bought a Leigh D1600 dovetail jig for the drawers.

    I didn't have a router table, which was a concern. My grandfather bought a B&D combo table which is made out of cheap particle board years ago (Over 15 atleast, cause he has been deceased for at least that long) and I used it as the base for my table to make the beading.

    I found that once i put the router on this unit, the plate flexed so much that I had to add some sheeting to the top and pass the router bit through that. We finally found to make the beading (which uses a CMT 1/8" beading bit) that if we pre-ripped the stock, then passed it through the table it produced a cleaner bead. I raised the bit just enough that it produces the round and a small flat at the bottom in one pass. I am quite pleased with the result.

    Thats it i think
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    Darn, I read the thread title and thought you offering me a new kitchen in exchange for my wife.

    Sink looks btw, loking forward to following this thread

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    Mike,

    What do you mean you are not a woodie?? You work looks fantastic.

    I too have the same ambition to build my own kitchen one day when I have the time and money. It is a huge project so good luck to you.

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    Thanks guys for the positive feedback. I was a bit worried about comments as some of the work produced on the forum is terrific.

    I'll post my progress as soon as i can get back into my house. The floor polishing keeps getting pushed out, but only because he wants to get a good finish on the floor for me. Kind of the opposite of the post that is running about bad tradies.

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    That looks like it will be a great kitchen.

    What doors and draw fronts are you going to use?

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    Please post photos of the drawers when they are done.
    Always trying to learn different ways of doing things, one day an alternate method will come in handy...


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    Default Fascias

    Quote Originally Posted by seafurymike View Post
    "So we chose to use American Maple for the carcasses, hoop pine for the fascias and the bench top will be a light granite. The fascias would be painted at the end."
    Mike it really looks great so far. Now that I know that you are going to paint the facias I don't feel so bad letting you down with the Paulownia. Holidays closures are a bummer for customers but unavoidable in a one person business.

    In hindsight it is possible that you are better off with the hoop pine for fascias as Paulownia is fairly soft and would have dented more easily had it got any bad bumps.

    I will watch for the finished job with interest.

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    Hi Mike,

    Great work on the cabinets so far!! I, too, look forward to seeing how the whole project goes for you. Do you have a floor plan of the kitchen design?

    One day I aim to rebuild my own kitchen too, so your thread is very interesting. Are the carcass sides/back maple plywood or solid maple?

    cheers
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    Wow, lots of replies, i need to look at this thread more often.

    The top drawers will be plain and just inset to the carcasses. The bottom drawers will have a recessed panel with some trim detail around the recessed area. I have to work out what type of detail i want to use for this, so a trip to the hardware store is in order to look at various router bit options.

    Hey Whitewood, as i mentioned on the phone, you have take holidays when you can get it. I was happy enough to wait, but i found some hoop pine and decided to use this. As i mentioned, i will keep you in mind for future projects.

    The floor plan is simple, all of the cabinets will be up against my kitchen window as a single row. I have one other alcove which needs addressing and the wife has the idea to make a cabinet that has two cupboards doors at the bottom and a see through window cabinet on top of this. I have yet to draw it up, but will post the drawing when i get to it.

    I will take a picture of the area for people to see where things will go. Now that the floor is complete and we are back int the house i need to make some progress as washing up in the laundry will not go down well for too long.

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    Looks like you're building it the old fashioned way - with the frame.

    Have you worked out how much is it going to cost you by having a carcass out of solid wood? It's going to be a pain in the ass to waterproof aswell

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    Hey big gumbo,

    The carcasses are veneered not solid.
    I bought the sheets from BRIMS before they closed down and were really cheap (50% off), so i nearly bought all that was left.

    I am going to either use tongue oil or Polyurethane. I will test each out and select the one that gives me the result i want. The veneer is supposed to be water resistant but as they are no longer in business if it isn't i can't claim on it.

    /M

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    Mate, it looks good so far but I have to question why you would use a veneered board in lieu of the standard melamine. You could face either type of board.

    The reason I would not use a veneer unless it was exposed or behind a glass door are pretty obvious. Firstly, it is not as durable as the melamine and secondly, it needs to be finished. I would use the poly if you want some wear resistance in the finish.

    That said, it will look better in the veneered board when you open the door. Just get the finish right on the areas where it will wear most, that is, the shelves. Another more expensive option is glass sitting on top of the shelves.

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    For those of your who may be interested, I have been plodding away and making some progress.

    The drawers are in and I have made up the fronts for the drawers. I have sized most of these. The sink isn't quite right and the base board will be replaced as i didn't do a good job on the fit, just around the front lip. Oh well, i now have a template to work from.
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    oh no, your inspiring me!

    Cant wait to see the rest of this project

    Well Done

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    Default I think i'm half way there

    Just an update for those who have subscribed to this thread.
    I got a chance to paint the fascias and front panels over the weekend.

    Here is how it looks:
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    Default Nearly done!!

    Thought it was a while since my last post, so here is the latest.

    I have fixed the drawer to the right side of the sink since this was taken, but I need to make a drawer for the left side. This is due to plumbing filling in to much space under the sink and of course the bin will no longer fit.

    /M
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    New Kitchen for Wife
    Sounds like a good deal to me


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    See this is the second time and I have to hold back once again as not to offend my wife.
    Damn, i have so many comebacks and they tend to revolve around leaking and broken stuff.

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    You must have a great looking wife to match such a great looking kitchen

    Will there be more bench space? How does it go with food/water around the side of the sink - do you think that may present a problem? I am looking at a similar sink for our kitchen, but I am not sure how to 'seal' it in effectively.

    Either way its a great job, very meticulous.

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    Thanks for the compliment, my wife will be happy.

    The sink is real tight fit against the sides. I have polyurethaned around the cabinet to seal it from water. I will then silicon around the side of the sink, which will then have a granite bench top placed over the sink. The granite will overlap about 20mm around the top of the sink. I think i may add another little bead between the granite and sink when it goes in. On the bottom of the sink I have added a soft rubber strip which lays between the bottom board and the sink bottom. it should stop any water seeping in under the sink and rotting it.

    The bench space compared to what I had is about the same. Originally it was an L shape, with the L return on the left near the door. Not having the L allows the area to open up. I also intend to make a kitchen Island bench, which will have 2 big drawers and the a third drawer fro the bin. The wife started filling in the drawers the other day and she said she still has 2 spares. I hate to see how she will fill them. I think the credit card will be working overtime.

    /M

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    HI I'M A NEW MEMBER HERE FROM iRELAND. LOVE HOW YOUR KITCHEN TURNED OUT. JUST WANTED TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS. WHAT THICKNESS IS YOUR WORKTOP, DOES IT OVERHANG THE BACK AND SIDES OF THE SINK? WHEN YOU DO PUT IT IN PLACE DON'T BE AFRAID TO COME IN OVER THE WALL OF THE BASIN, WATER SHOULDN'T GET ANYWHERE NEAR YOUR CABINET THEN BUT SEAL IT ALSO LIKE YOU,VE SAID.

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    Hi Keith,

    I'm not 100% sure what your trying to ask but i'll try answering what i think your asking.

    I have sheeted the top of the cupboards with 18-19mm MDF. This week coming we will have the granite bench tops installed. These I believe will be 20mm thick and my wife has organised a further 20mm lip for the face and sides of the cupboards. So to make sure this 40mm front will not look silly , we as i mentioned, increased the height by the ~20mm.

    For the sink we didn't want it to hang to far into the sink area. we have looked at a couple of similar sinks that family and friends have and we have decided to bring the granite half way in over the sink walls. I think the walls are 40mm thick, so we should be coming in about 20mm and also down to the top of the sink, which should align with the front drop. It should all blend in then (front and sink sides).

    When this goes in i'll post another picture. So other than that all i now need to do if make some kick boards and paint them.

    Thanks for the great feedback. I am always hesitant to post as I have seen some funny feedback to some peoples efforts.

    /Michael

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    Its a great looking kitchen, very similar to the ones i build everyday. You should check out our website, DunnesWorkshop.ie. You might get a few more ideas from the pics there. I must email you pics of the last kitchen i built on my own.

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    Looking very nice Mike, some topnotch work there

    Any chance of a close up of the handles you're using? They look neat.
    Cheers

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    I'm impressed at both the work and the time it has taken. Your first post was in April.. you must not have young children running around.

    How much do you think the project has cost you in both materials and tools?

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    Hi guys,

    DJ, my wife sourced them from a local cabinet maker who imported them for us. I will take a picture tonight and post. They are quite nice units and not too expensive.

    I actually have 2 kids. They were neglected and so i think i have a lot of work to do to make up for it. So next week were off to Cairns for 2 weeks, so i think this should be a great start.

    I would approximate about:

    Timber - $1200
    Tools - (bandsaw, tablesaw, jointer, thicknesser, KREG, Dovetail, assorted bits) $5500.00 (C-Tec goods, hey maybe i can get a frequent user discount from them given the amount i've spent in the last few months - but i doubt it!)

    Drawer runners/ Sink/ Tap / Dishwasher /granite top- $6600
    (tap is not the one seen in these pictures, wife is picking this up today)

    So in theory the basic kitchen is ~$7800 (dishwasher was $1000) - $6800 otherwise

    I would think that if I paid to have this made I would be looking at about $15K, working on 50% material & 50% labour and profit.

    The tools, well i still need to make a display unit and the island bench, so they should be getting another good work out soon.


    Keith, some broken links on Euro style pics.
    Where was this info 4 months ago keith, arhh, wealth of pictures there and the Manor style installs are close to what i have tried to achieve. Do you have any ideas on a display cabinet with a couple of drawers at the bottom. I have an alcove where the fridge used to go and the wife would like a storage unit below with a couple of glass doors on top of the storage.

    I also need to try and workout my island bench. I need 3 drawers, 2 for pots and stuff and the third will house my bin. Damn plumbing killed my idea of having it located below the sink. I was looking at putting the middle drawer opening towards the sink and then the two outer doors opening towards my cooker, which is oposit to the sink (standalone). I'll post dome pictures tonight with the handles to give you a better view of the room layout. any feedback appreciated

    P.S: I appreciate the cost of kitchens and how much work needs to go into them. For years I used to complain about how expensive furniture was, now I appreciate why people charge as much as they do. Though I can also appreciate that cabinet makers are better skilled and tooled than me. ie: edge banders, space, time available per day to complete the task.

    thanks
    Michael

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    Hi Mike

    Your kitchen is stunning! Congratulations on achieving what you wanted and doing it yourself. Your work is inspiring me to make a start on the plans for my kitchen

    I'm looking forward to seeing how you decide to build the island bench now.

    Cheers
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    I have taken the pictures as promised. I added aruler as i thought people may want to know the dimensions of the units.
    I have also outlined the area for the added island and cabinet.
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    this is a fine job Mike, you can be rightly proud of it mate .... I design kitchens in this style exclusively and am keen to find others who would like to have a conversation about making these as a business. I have approached a LOT of (alleged) kitchen makers and have been disappointed by their unwillingness to consider making what I call authentic period style kitchens. Anyway, today(literally) my wife and I decided to start researching in earnest, building our own company to make our designs.

    But that's not why I posted here .... I read further up that someone was looking for those handles .... I'd be happy to help with a referral.

    Finally, I think that's a Shaw's single Ribchester sink and would be interested to know what tap you selected to go with it. I have been frustrated by the lack of locally available products for period kitchens so have been actively importing items from overseas...... again, well done mate - that work is a real credit to you. If anyone is interested I'd be happy to post some of my period kitchen designs.

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    Default Update with photos

    Thanks Steve for the kind words.

    I did forget to take a shot which shows the granite and tap installed.
    I think the granite suits the style.
    The tap was selected as it had lever handles and the spout was large enough to use in the shaws (your correct it is a butler).

    I still need to tile behind for the splashback. I have to ask a friend of mine for his electric tile cutter.
    The kickboard is still missing, but i will wait until it is warmer so i can spray it without having to bring in external heating.

    Steve, that is a big thing to go into business to build these styles of kitchens. From what i've read in these forums it seems the margins are not big. I take what i said with a grain of salt as i think a pro would make this in half the time i did. Given what i spent on material, there is a bit of margin in there i think.

    Best of luck with the venture
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    ooops, the tap is perrin and rowe

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    yup, lovely job - you will need to seal the gap between the benchtop and sink .... there is a Dow Corning product I use that's excellent and will match the granite perfectly - it is specifically designed to be anti-mould and food-safe .... let me know if you'd like more details.

    Did you buy the sink and tapware from Old English Tap Co.? Not cheap products, but excellent.

    Thanks for your comments on the kitchen business .... high margins are not the main aim, rather making beautiful and lasting products while being able to live, is more the motivation I guess. making anything these days is a real challenge .... for me it comes down to how I want to spend my time from here on.
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    Excelent work. Came up looking great, and blends in well with the rest of the house.

    Have you consided a two way opening draw for your bin, then you will be able to access the bin from both sides of the island bench.

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    Hi again - just wondering how your kitchen is going for you .... great I imagine! Also, I am hoping you could share anything that you have found that wasn't as functional or effective as you'd hoped - I am constantly finding better ways of doing things and am keen to know how others are travelling with their stuff ... I am now in full agreement with whoever said 20-20 hindsight is NO gift!

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    Hi Steve,

    Well the Kitchen itself is functioning quite well. The only issue i experienced was with the drawer size and the tight tolerances between the frame.
    There was a little rubbing when the drawers were fully loaded, so i ended up adding a centre partition support in them to stop them from flexing. The flex was in the bottom board of the drawer of course.

    In the meantime i have managed to complete the built in cupboard that the wife wanted. We find this very functional. I rejected the idea of putting door on the front as i think this would take away from it's usability, but it would look nice.

    Here is a picture of it nearly complete. It still needs a kickboard

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    PS: Did you start making kitchens in this style yet?

    /Michael

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    terrific work mate - you are really getting the look and warmth of a country kitchen, well done.

    ... been designing and making period interiors for several years now. I will dig out some pics of my most recent work, or add a link to photobucket
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    here are some pieces I made in the last year or so

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    Steve,

    That's a great body of work you have made.
    I am tasked with putting together an island bench. Do you have any reference photos that I could work from.
    The wife is looking for a wooden unit with drawers at the top and maybe an open area down low. I have a couple of pieces of granite to go in it too.

    If you have something that may suit, I'd appreciate any help

    / M

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    thanks for the positive comments ... has been a wild ride as they say.

    Here are some ideas for your project - hope they help.
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    Thanks Steve,

    The second image is very appealing (Victorian1). I see this is also on your website under classic.
    Did you design and build this?

    /Michael

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    designed yes - built no ... this and the first one were done for a US client.

    3rd one was for someone in one of the bushfire affected areas

    4th an English client

    5th I found on the net

    6th 7th and 8th are by a firm called Chalon in London ... took the pics when I was there in 2008. Awesome company, great products and brilliant business model.
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