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    Exclamation Bathroom Floor Tile , Floor Screed and Floor Waste

    Hi
    I have a small bathroom i need to prepare for tiling

    Can you look at the photos i have supplied and suggest the best approach for the floor area outside the shower

    I cannot understand how this is going to work...

    I have set that floor waste 20mm lower than the top of the shower angle
    But in order to slope all areas of the room toward the floor waste
    It will make my floor steeper than the Himalayas in some areas...
    Especially along the wall behind the floor waste
    And at the corner of the shower
    where opposite ends of the room are coming together........

    Ive never done tiling b4 but sitting back looking at it...
    this seems impossible?

    I am using a 200x200 ceramic tile

    It was suggested in another forum to set a level floor
    With the waste only a 5mm lower than the highest point
    And just set the perimeter tiles to that angle
    Then the rest of the floor is level?

    This would look so much beter...

    Most of the water should only be coming from the shower area anyway
    Which is stepped down inside the angle 20mm

    But if i set a level floor im worried that wil be the wrong thing to do
    And if i set the screed so everything is sloping the way it should
    I just cant see how thats even possible to make the tiles look flat

    What to do...

    Any advice apreciated




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    Just 1 note

    Im prob going to lift the floor waste 15mm...
    To make a 5mm fall...
    Instead of a 20mm fall...

    But i have siliconed the floor waste in position with sikaflex 11fc
    I only used 3 small blobs so water that does run on the membrane can
    still go under the floor waste and into the pipe

    But to lift this floor waste now im prob gona damage the membrane a bit
    I can fix that too

    But would be anoying if i then change back to having the floor waste lower
    This was what was suggested to me
    That u want about 10mm fall for every meter...

    But yeh... wont the tiles look realy bad?

    Need advice

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    should this be in the bathroom or tile section?
    if your an admin can u move it if u thin should be under tiles
    thanks

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    In that sort of situation, I'd just do a 10mm fall from the door to the waste - the real purpose of the floor waste is not to scavenge every last drop from the floor, but as insurance that water from a flooding shower or basin isn't going to make its way out to the rest of the house.

    It really doesn't matter if you have a few buckets worth of water spread over the back of your bathroom that don't quite make their own way to the floor waste; it's all inside the waterproof membrane so it's not going to permanently damage anything.

    Stopping it getting out to the unprotected floor and walls is the main issue, so just make sure you have fall from the door - the back wall section can be flat for all intents and purposes, you don't need to slope it back towards the waste.
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    Ok thanks dood
    I raised the floor waste up so now its only 10mm below the higest points
    I thin it will be much beter now.
    Was around 20-25 and was way to steep!
    Il post finished photos in bout 1 week
    Cuz goto wait for the bed to dry still
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    Hey i have a few questions

    I waterproofed the slab
    Then put in the bed (4 river sand to 1 cement) with 10mm fall to the drain
    Then waterproofed that and everything seems good

    Now im up to the tiling

    Problem is,
    Floor tile = 198.5 x 198.5
    Wall tile = 400 x 250 (laying on side)

    To align grout lines i must use 3mm spacer for floor and wall
    But is a 3mm spacer for a wall to wide?
    Wide grout lines are not good?

    I would prefer 1.5mm spacer but then i have to stagger the wall tiles from the floor tiles so the grout lines dont get to close and starting looking bad

    See photos below to demonstrate

    What would be preferable?

    1. Align floor and wall with 3mm spacer
    2. Stager floor and wall and use 1.5 spacer

    Last 2 questions

    3. Whats the rule with the size of your top and bottom wall tiles. is a half tile at the top and bottom ok? or do u always make the top tile as big as possible and ignore the bottom, or the otherway round? i have no idea.

    4. With corners do u try make the end tiles of each joining wall the same size so the corner looks balanced? Does it look wrong if 1 wall has a 200mm cut tile and the ajoining wall has a 350mm cut tile?


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    Quote Originally Posted by T666 View Post
    What would be preferable?

    1. Align floor and wall with 3mm spacer
    2. Stager floor and wall and use 1.5 spacer
    I think I'd pick 2 - I reckon it looks better.

    Quote Originally Posted by T666 View Post
    3. Whats the rule with the size of your top and bottom wall tiles. is a half tile at the top and bottom ok? or do u always make the top tile as big as possible and ignore the bottom, or the otherway round? i have no idea.
    Full tile at the top and almost full tile (or whatever height is required) at the bottom.

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    4. With corners do u try make the end tiles of each joining wall the same size so the corner looks balanced? Does it look wrong if 1 wall has a 200mm cut tile and the ajoining wall has a 350mm cut tile?
    On the tiling I've done I've never tried to "balance" the corners, I just try and avoid excessively "thin" tiles.
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    Hey i went with the 1.5mm and lucky i did with the slightly rounded edge of each tile the grout is going to seem fair bit more than 1.5mm
    I also staggered the wall grout lines from the floor grout lines
    With the wall i started 1 row off the ground, in the middle with full tiles so have almost 3/4 tile at top, bottom and both sides

    My next question now is with the walls corners
    What kind of fininsh do u get right in the middle where the walls meet and whats the best way to do it?

    Are u supposed to use a full tile coming out of 1 corner so u have a clean edge with 1.5mm gap? or no gap or ???

    Are u suposed to cut a hard edge and push it right onto the other walls tile so theirs no gap?

    Need advice

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    Quote Originally Posted by T666 View Post
    My next question now is with the walls corners
    What kind of fininsh do u get right in the middle where the walls meet and whats the best way to do it?

    Are u supposed to use a full tile coming out of 1 corner so u have a clean edge with 1.5mm gap? or no gap or ???

    Are u suposed to cut a hard edge and push it right onto the other walls tile so theirs no gap?
    I cut the cover tile for the corner so that it has the same gap (plus 2 mm) as the rest of the wall tiles - note as I was using 600 high tiles, I measured the tile top and bottom to ensure a consistent gap. I then rounded the cut edge using a diamond "sharpener" - some sort of tile "smoother" should be available from tile places.
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    Thanks vern
    How come u added an 2mm extra gap?
    Is this for expansion?

    Also i am using a ceramic tile thats not vitrified
    So i cant bevel the cut edge much at all before the cermaic layer is gone

    Do you grout the corner with a radius from 1 tile to the other
    So the grout would that cover the cut edges and look alright?
    Id prefer to have a thin a grout bead as possible
    So id rather have the tiles right against one another if possible

    I imagine where the wall meets the floor im going to have this internal corner to deal with also...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T666 View Post
    Thanks vern
    How come u added an 2mm extra gap?
    I like to have a bit more of a gap in the corners. Plus it will end up looking about the same size as a normal grouted gap.
    Is this for expansion?
    Yes and also looks (see above)

    Also i am using a ceramic tile thats not vitrified
    So i cant bevel the cut edge much at all before the cermaic layer is gone
    Just take enough off to remove the sharp edge

    Do you grout the corner with a radius from 1 tile to the other
    So the grout would that cover the cut edges and look alright?
    Use colour matched silicone for the corner. It should completely fill the gap.

    Id prefer to have a thin a grout bead as possible
    So id rather have the tiles right against one another if possible
    I wouldn't as you don't have any room for movement.
    I imagine where the wall meets the floor im going to have this internal corner to deal with also...
    Yes, exactly the same principle.
    Cheers.

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    Ok cool.
    How does the silicone look? can you tell its not the same material as the grout?

    Also i have been thinking about the actual grout itself

    I have seen a tiled floor before and after grouting
    The floor looked amazing before it was grouted
    And looked very average afterward...
    Not that the job was bad
    Just that the grout ruined the look that the tiles had before any grout was between them

    So now im researching translucent grouts
    Like a glazing in potery or something but more opaque
    I want to b able 2 see into the grout giving a depth of view
    But not be able to see through it|
    I donít want this to have a plastic look tho that silicone probably gives
    More of a glass effect

    Have you heard of this or think it could work?

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by T666 View Post
    Ok cool.
    How does the silicone look? can you tell its not the same material as the grout?
    We used the same colour grout and silicone and although there is a colour difference, you don't notice it. Ideally (I think) the grout colour should blend in with the tile rather than be a contrast - ours certainly does.

    Have you heard of this or think it could work?
    Sorry David can't help you with this one.

    The quality of your photo's isn't great but I reckon an off white, vanilla or cream (i.e. a dirty white) coloured grout may look ok. Our tile place had "grout samples" that you could slide between two tiles to see how it looked. Take a couple of tiles and go visit a couple of tiling shops.
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    hey thanks vern, yup im am going with an offwhite grout.
    the tiles i have are a travetine effect ceramic tile

    im most likely useing mapei sandless grout which is 25$ per bag
    its very fine and kind of self levels itself in the gaps
    its not to bad but does dry faster than normal sanded grouts
    it also has additives in it to help with flexibility and resist moisture
    this is some of the tips i was given for using it from the tile shop

    the only problem is they only have a pure white
    so i was going to experiment adding some offwhite cement into it
    or use some oxide or some method to color it

    i think i have giving up on a translucent grout although i did find one american website StarQuartz Quartz-Lock Revolutionary Grout Technology
    thats from america tho and im from australia

    il get a beter photo soon as those were taken with mobile phone and look to blured, thanks for the advice dood


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