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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    They are fairly bright, with massive beam spread,

    They have retail and premium versions, see below for lumen's of each model.

    4sqm is a tiny room, a 600mm will burn your eyes out

    Are these literally 10mm thick ( I think I read that somewhere)? i.e. can they be installed anywhere in the ceiling plaster without much consideration for beams etc.

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    They are very thin, but you do still need to consider what's behind there.

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    Thanks, that image is helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    They are very thin, but you do still need to consider what's behind there.

    That looks like the large diameter LED light I got:


    square ones for Metrix too

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    That looks like the large diameter LED light I got:



    square ones for Metrix too
    I purchased one of the square ones, was disappointed, they round the corners off on the outside, and where the diffuser is,
    If I order square I WANT SQUARE not a half roundy squary thingy

    MMMM Square

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    It's pretty simple product when you look at how that array works.

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    I know, there's nothing in them, the LED's are usually arranged on their side around the perimeter on a flexible circuit board, they all shine into the centre, this does away with hot spots which is a common problem with downward facing diodes in the larger fittings.

    Pretty stupid when you think it's taken until now to produce simple energy efficient things like these, humans are really stupid sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    They are very thin, but you do still need to consider what's behind there.


    Is this a Premium or a retail version on the photo?

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    This is the KIS1014 model Standard range
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    The sizing is driving me nuts ... I have an 800lm LED batten globe in a 4x4m room and that's sufficiently bright. So an ~800lm illume should be sufficient for a 2x2m room shouldn't it?? Is their rating comparable to a normal globe?

    I hate lighting ... you need to decide before you actually get to see the result and after that it's hard to change.

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    Lighting is easy, it's all stated in Lumens, but you need to determine by technical data where the lumens is being measured, ie at 2m, 3m.

    Yes a 800Lm should be fine in a 2m x 2m, thats a small room. just open it carefully, if it's no good by dry fitting it, pack it back up return it to Bunnings ans say you meant to get the bigger model
    I have a single 500Lm downlight led in a 3m x 1.5m store room downstairs and it's fine, or it was until I put a big shelf underneath it, now it, sort of ok HA HA HA

    Which one are you looking at ?
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    Ha ha, everything is easier when you do it more than once every few years!

    I'm looking at a premium 300mm square version. But currently have a bit of confusion because the supplier said it was 850lm... but the spec on the KP website so suggests closer to 1000lm, so just need to check what's being offered.

    The other option is 400mm square but the 1500lm may be too much.

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    300x300 will be plenty in a 2m x 2m room.
    300 premium is rated at 1050lm while the retail model is 850lm.
    Just be aware that the retail version only comes with a silver trim, while the premium has the option of white or silver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzza40 View Post
    300x300 will be plenty in a 2m x 2m room.
    300 premium is rated at 1050lm while the retail model is 850lm.
    Just be aware that the retail version only comes with a silver trim, while the premium has the option of white or silver.
    The retail is 720lm on their website, which is why the 850lm confused me (can't find that figure anywhere). Anyway, I'll get to the bottom of that (probably just crossed wires with supplier). Appreciate your feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OBBob View Post
    The retail is 720lm on their website, which is why the 850lm confused me (can't find that figure anywhere). Anyway, I'll get to the bottom of that (probably just crossed wires with supplier). Appreciate your feedback.
    The one in the photo is the 350 retail, this is in a room downstairs with no natural light (or it will be when I fix the ceiling currently it's sitting on a shelf close to the ceiling.
    This room is about 4.5m x 2.5m and it lights the room up perfectly when the sun's fully out, when it dims down it's still bright, but at full boar it like daylight in there.
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    The 350mm round retail is brighter than a 400 square. The premium hi spec panel is up around the same lumens as a 600 square.
    About 2200 i think from memory.
    They are only 10mm thick and can go directly underneath ceiling battens etc. The only time you can get into trouble is if there is timber running right aling the edge of the hole as it makes it hard to get the clips in.

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    Yes, the round ones do very well on the output but won't sit as well. Remember (thanks to Phil) this is purely an aesthetic folly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OBBob View Post
    Yes, the round ones do very well on the output but won't sit as well. Remember (thanks to Phil) this is purely an aesthetic folly.
    Darn, was about to suggest the light switch again (just kidding)

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    Darn, was about to suggest the light switch again (just kidding)
    I'm actually with you on this Phil... but I won't soon forgive you for pointing out that it'll take about 50 years for me to break even on these vs LED down light running costs... Ha ha.

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    IMO: They should break all the machines which produce round things
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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    IMO: They should break all the machines which produce round things
    Didn't you just say you're putting a round illume in your place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    IMO: They should break all the machines which produce round things
    Your ute won't go very far with square wheels.

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    Roundish is no less comfortable.

    Ours is not to reason why. Merely to point and giggle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    Your ute won't go very far with square wheels.
    Exactly my point, it's those round wheels which are holding us back from levitating cars,

    Mythbusters how funny
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIN8Q_4iaxU


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    I installed a square illume in our kitchen few years back, wasn't very hard & I didn't have to remove any roof tiles. It works great however, the only downside is no light comes through at nights where moon is bright .

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    I'm tossing up between a roof window, a tubular skylight, and an illume to light up my kitchen. I've never seen a tubular skylight in the flesh. Do tubular skylights (with a diffuser) look like a fluroscent or LED light? Can you tell the difference between an illume and a tubular skylight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokyjoe View Post
    ... Can you tell the difference between an illume and a tubular skylight?
    at night you can't see the moon (as pointed out above).

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    Well two Illumes were just delivered. It's dark, so I can't try them for their actual purpose... but the solar panels are surprisingly heavy and solid feeling and the unit itself is metal encased. I got the silver metal surround version and was a little surprised to see it is real metal not just silver plastic.

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    Noticed the fake solar skylights at Aldi today for $99, and they are round ones.

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    So finally giving the feedback on the Illumes. It was a bit of a saga that I brought on myself. Basically I was so wrapped up in how good a solution it was that I neglected to put sufficient effort into selling it to other project stakeholders J. Basically, that translates to – I temporarily installed one in the previous bathroom before mirrors, tiling or painting were done and it was a cloudy day with just the panel sitting flat in the driveway. I could extrapolate in my mind how it would look when installed properly but first impressions count and it ended up being replaced with a real window on this occasion.

    Anyway, fast forward to yesterday … just finishing off the last bathroom and my wife asks if I still have those solar skylight things, perhaps we should try them in this room (which has no external walls for a window). And … surprise surprise, they look great and bath it in light … so much so we keep going to turn the lights off at the switch when we walk past. Turning on the 1000 lumen pendant light just adds some yellow to the room J. They were very easy to install, took a couple of hours to fit the two light panels in the plaster ceiling, attach the solar panels to the roof and run the cables through the roof space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    Noticed the fake solar skylights at Aldi today for $99, and they are round ones.

    Well that says it all, if it's round forget it, it won't work :0
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    I am in the process of finishing off my Laundry, ended up dividing the room into a 2800 x 1200 (tradesman bathroom), and a 3000 x 2500 (laundry), I originally had one illume in there as posted above this lit up the entire room when it was one room, the wiring runs up the upstairs cavity walls onto the roof, due to lining all the walls upstairs now I cannot get access to the roof from the downstairs and would have liked to put a second smaller unit in the bathroom, the room downstairs is all single brick with new linings.

    Anyway the one above is now in the laundry part of the room, the walls are painted white with white cabinetry / white tiles (floor still to be done), when the thing is on, it lights the entire room up like it has a real skylight, I can vouch for the product as an alternative to a real skylight without the pitfalls that go with a real skylight.

    Actually also thinking about it, the solar panel was out there when we got hit with the Hail storm a few weeks ago, I didn't even think about it, the laserlight roof on the pergola got destroyed, but the solar panel is perfect.

    Them there balls coming from the sky are Golfball sized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paddyjoy View Post
    The problem with Velux is that Velux Australia are still selling all the old model roof windows from the 1990's, Velux replaced the older style windows years ago in Europe with the Velux Integra windows (which are far superior) however they still sell only the old ones here. Typical us Australians getting saddled again, did I also mention the new integra models are half the price of the old ones currently on sale here....

    Sorry for the rant I have skylight related PTSD
    What extra superiority does the Integra give over out models, we have the same touchpads, solar panel operation, glazing options as the overseas models, triple glazing not an option here.

    Integra has a timber core with plastic surrounds, our versions are BAL40 rated which is becoming a bigger issue with all the BAL location changes now, the Integra would not get a BAL rating due to it's construction.
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    Definitely laserlite and not Alsynite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    Definitely laserlite and not Alsynite?
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    Can't say, suspect Laserlite it's 5-rib pattern so I assume Laserlite.
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    Polycarbonate is extremely tough and unlikely to get holes in it. On the other hand, fibre reinforced polyester is another story. Then there was PVC which gets very brittle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    Polycarbonate is extremely tough and unlikely to get holes in it. On the other hand, fibre reinforced polyester is another story. Then there was PVC which gets very brittle.
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    It not fiber reinforced, looks like Laserlite 2000 / 3000, but who knows as no identifying marks, all I know is it's full of holes now
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    Maybe it was polycarbonate that was installed upside down. Not sure what happens when that is done.

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    Could be, everything else in this house was installed backwards or wrong, so you could be right, I think when it's upside down it get affected by UV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phild01 View Post
    Polycarbonate is extremely tough and unlikely to get holes in it. On the other hand, fibre reinforced polyester is another story. Then there was PVC which gets very brittle.
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    I did say holes, I think you would find a hailstone the size of a cricket ball would bounce off, but if it did break it, it would likely crack it rather than put a hole in it...IMO.
    Did you sort the " ' " thingy?

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