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    Default Water collecting under shower base tiles

    Hi Everyone,
    I’m not sure if this should be here or Tiling, but here goes.

    Background
    12 year old shower built as follows:
    15mm Hardipanel compressed concrete sheet floor, then
    Puddle flange, then
    Cement screed, then
    Latex waterproofing compound to whole enclosure, then
    Tiles

    I did all of the work except the tiling and grouting.

    Problem
    Recently found water damage to MDF architrave at door approx 1.5m from shower.
    Checked under floor and found no evidence of water leak except immediately below damaged architrave. So I assume the waterproofing membrane is good and water is getting under hob tiles and running under floor tiles to doorway.

    Rectification
    I have removed the 10mm frameless shower screen and removed all silicone from shower.
    I have ground out wall and base grout.
    The shower hasn’t been used for a week. However, the inner section of the base grout is damp, with water coming through in places (marked in red in picture).

    I think the tiler has glued the metal floor grate into the shower floor without leaving any gaps and the water is backing up against the sides of the floor grate.

    Questions
    Is the water under the tiles a problem?
    How do I remove this water? I assume the new grout won’t set while in contact with water.
    Should I remove the floor grate and re-glue it, leaving gaps in the glue for the water to drain through? Can I do this without damaging the waterproofing?
    Should I drill holes in the side of the floor grate to help the water escape?
    Would an epoxy grout prevent the water seeping through into the area below the tiles?

    Appreciate any help.
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    Some more pictures.
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    Sorry the pics are out of order, but I had trouble uploading some of them.
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    Reposted in the Tiling subforum.

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    Hi Jack620,

    Ok, I'm editing my original post because I didn't look at pictures properly.

    Seems the most likely explanation is the leak control flange has been blocked by the tile adhesive and isn't draining properly.

    I'd probably try the easiest thing first, and that is to seal the grout with a good quality penetrative sealer such as Sealcote from Construction Chemicals or Sealtight from SWP.
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    Thanks for the reply. I will use a penetrative sealer as you suggest.

    However, I would like to get this sorted out properly if possible. What are your thoughts on carefully cutting out the PVC leak control flange adaptor, then removing the offending tile glue to create a space for the water to drain through? Then install a new adaptor, refit the metal grate and re-grout?

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    It's a excellent idea if you can do it without damaging the waterproof membrane.
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    Thanks, I'll give it a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wspivak View Post
    Seems the most likely explanation is the leak control flange has been blocked by the tile adhesive and isn't draining properly.
    It was. I removed the adaptor. Fortunately I can still buy the same Plastec adaptor. You can clearly see it was fully embedded in tile adhesive. I plan to grind away most of the adhesive with a Dremel and fit a new adaptor. I'll leave a few lands for the new adaptor to sit on.
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    Great to hear, hopefully that will alleviate your issues!
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