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    To Neil and all the Admins and Mods.

    I have always greatly admired the Woodworking forums and all who donate their time to help keep the forums running smoothly.
    Its a thankless job, I know.

    I realise how hard it is to keep the general hoard in place and to stop any bickering, fighting, etc.

    But.
    There is always a but isnt there?

    Please dont lose the sense of humour from the forums.
    These days, anyone who has a post that is considered even remotely humorous has the post deleted.

    The forums were created on humour, I have read the very first few posts, yes, the very first ones.

    There has been a lot of effort expended by those that helped to make the forums as great as what they are today, and most of the posts contained humour of some sort.

    Now, if a post contains any sort of humour that is considered "off", its deleted.

    Drivel, I can understand being deleted, it is mind numbing to say the least and lacks humour?

    Im the 3 months that I have been away from the forums, there seems to have been a mind set of, if its funny delete it. Why?

    Please dont let the humour die.

    Al

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    Allan at Whalan and Mon Reuben come out of hiding.

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    Im not talking of the "jokes section" Im talking about the forum as a whole.

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    Hi brickie

    My 2c....

    The forum has grown up maybe and become more focused on the technical side rather than a bunch of mates interested in woodwork (male and female) just yarning so to speak.

    The other is the fact that this is owned by a single person who puts thier particular "brand" on how they think it should go which is fair enough seeing as they's payin the bills.
    EDIT: I gutted out there. I actually dont think its a healthy thing in the long run. The child needs its space sometimes.

    I also think the mods have slowly but surely had a gutful of the whingers on the forum whining about every possible anticipated and imagined slight against thier painfully thin skins and sorting out the squabbles between those with no spines but a very tall horse on which to gaze down from.

    But its still fun living on the boundaries and stickin to the wowsers now and then .

    Yeah you, over the back, Im lookin at you sooky bub
    I just love sheepies!

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    G'day.
    I find the Forums funny as all buggery.

    Hell...Even Al laughed so hard he pizzed himself so I'm told.

    Humor is everwhere. Either that or I take too many uppers..

    I have only ever had 2 posts deleted.
    One was a goat joke for Al.
    The other was taking the Pizz out of Cliff
    Hooroo.
    Regards, Trevor
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    Quote Originally Posted by glock40sw View Post
    ....The other was taking the Pizz out of Cliff
    I must have missed that one, you better post it again.
    Cliff

    ...if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers View Post
    I must have missed that one, you better post it again.
    I didnt think anyone would have been into the stuff he suggested you were into.....made me blush
    I just love sheepies!

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    Well I've had a few deleted, but I'm not complaining (too much).
    I'll just keep living on the boundaries and sticking it to the wowsers now and then.

    I hope you stick around. This place could do with the worlds best bricklayer.
    Cheers, John

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazzler View Post
    I didnt think anyone would have been into the stuff he suggested you were into.....made me blush
    Struth.... now I really want to know.
    Cliff

    ...if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail...

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    Life was never meant to be easy ... so they say.

    I had things pretty rough as a youngster, my family broke
    up when I was 14. I have never lived with either of my
    parents since then as I was "in hiding". One thing that
    got me through those years was HUMOUR as I read joke
    books whenever I could afford one.

    I joined the postal service and rose to the top with a staff
    of 41 at my Post Office. My dedication to the job and my
    success in managing people can partly be attributed to a
    necessary component called HUMOUR.

    I have a successful marriage of 46 years and anyone who
    is still married after that time will recognize that HUMOUR
    contributes something into a marriage.

    Now in retirement I am tackling woodturning with the same
    determination that has helped me succeed in life. I belong
    to two woodturning clubs and thoroughly enjoy the sense
    of belonging and sharing with others. Similarly I joined the
    Woodworking Forum and just love the atmosphere. The
    spirit within the group is great, the knowledge shared is
    invaluable, generosity abounds in many ways, friendships
    are formed and HUMOUR can be found in many of the threads.

    I avoid hurtful comments, foul language or jokes that
    offend. On the rare occasion that one of my jokes is
    "moved" it is because replies sometimes snowball and the
    Moderator chooses to put an end to it. I accept such a
    decision gracefully.

    May HUMOUR, HUMOUR, and more HUMOUR continue.

    Allan

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    ... but just hope that I am not there at the time.

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    G'day Allan,
    You're right on there.......life wasn't meant to be easy....but it's easier with a humorous slant.
    I'm also glad that your posted humour is being improved by the donated joke book left for you at the forum stand at the Melbourne WWW show.
    That's funny in itself.

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    Sorry to disappoint you but the sense of humor is still here. The forums are still fun and always will be.

    It's just that those genuinely seeking help and giving it, now far outweighing the jokers, hijackers, drivellers and those who thought they were funny. Thankfully for the us they've found another place to go and spread their humor until they sicken themselves and their fellow members of it.
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    Contrary to popular belief I have virtually nothing at all to do with what is moderated, and far from putting my own "brand" on how anyone thinks I actually encourage all mods and admin to be their own person and do what they think is right. If there's a problem it's discussed with others. I pay the bills and let the mods do their own thing.

    Nowadays the forums are about 85% self moderating with most posts and threads being moderated by the posters themselves. The bulk of the moderating done by the mods and admin is deleting spam, porn and other unsavory garbage.

    The Mods and Admins are not prudes, fun nazi's or anything else. They are hand picked for their fairness, levelheadedness and good sense of judgment among other special attributes. Apart from spammers and the like, most posts dealt with by mods are done so because they have been reported by other members.

    Quote Originally Posted by glock40sw
    I have only ever had 2 posts deleted.
    One was a goat joke for Al.
    The other was taking the Pizz out of Cliff
    Funny enough probably both deleted by...... Yep you guessed it, AL. Who also was one of the main ones responsible for the clamp down on drivel. Which as you would have seen in a couple of posts see above was still alive until deleted during the typing of this post.
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    For those of you don't know the Super Moderators and Administrators here is a list. These are the ones with the power to delete posts, ban members and everything to ensure the smooth running or the forums and the protection of members rights, etc.

    Administrators:
    • ubeaut, Neil, Neil Ellis - All me, each has a different function, 1 has the ability to shut down the forums.
    • Steven - Responsible for keeping the forums running - Computer and programming guru. The only other person with the ability to shut down the forums.
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    Cheers - Neil

    PS The stats speak for themselves. Since a hand full of members went to another place for their blokey release we have had record membership sign ups, record numbers of unique visitors, record numbers of page views. Our number of hits has dropped to 14.5 million per month

    The above all reflect a more discerning membership, more quality posts, and less garbage leading to less hits.

    Are we happy about this..... NO! We're bloody ecstatics.

    Personally I'd like to thank those of you who frequent TheBlokeyShed for going there to do your thing instead of here. You have what you want and in getting it you've finally given us what we want.

    To those who stick around here and help but got there for their fun I say, "Thank you." To those who stay at the other place and don't come back I say, "In most instances, you will be missed, but others will come and take your place."

    To those who go to the other place to whinge, moan, complain about these forums the mods, members and admin, I say "Who the hell cares. If you don't like it the answer's simple. Don't come back. It's no big deal. There will be no gnashing of teeth, wailing or lamenting your departure. "




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    Well bloody put.

    I had a look at the other forum. But it doesn't have the technical flavour of this one.
    Keep up the great work.
    Hooroo.
    Regards, Trevor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers View Post
    Struth.... now I really want to know.

    Got ya worried now...Eh....

    Can almost hear the cogs turning over in your head from down here..
    ( Cliff thinks to self " What sick schit did I do while Pizzed last time")
    Hooroo.
    Regards, Trevor
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    Quote Originally Posted by ubeaut View Post
    ...."Who the hell cares. .....
    That's my option.
    Cliff

    ...if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail...

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    Yes, well said Neil.

    But I also want to identify an additional practice of those who vascillate between this forum and the Peanut Gallery. Quite often new people or inexperienced members ask questions that seem naive and focus on subjects that have been previously discussed at length. This immediately makes them the target of derision which is manifest as snide remarks in this forum and open criticism in the Gallery (yes, I'm an occasional lurker there).

    I for one don't like this practice. Everyone should be given the opportunity to become familiar with the function of this forum. New and inexperienced members should be treated with respect and guidance, not derision. They may be somewhat ignorant sometimes of the way the forum works and of what has previously been discussed, but this doesn't mean that they are stupid.

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    I suppose it depends on what you come here for.

    I'd say that the main purpose of the forums is to share knowledge and help people out in a friendly atmosphere, whilst building a community.

    I've been a bit rude and cheeky before, and in one case the original poster was obviously offended, judging by the tone of his reply. I was being tongue in cheek, and I thought that my response was funny, but the poster obviously didn't agree and both posts were deleted.
    I reckon that's fair enough, and I apologized to him in the thread. We shook hands and it led to a much nicer atmosphere than a sarcastic slanging match would have, although I'd agree that they can be quite funny sometimes.

    Some people are a bit thin skinned and take offense rather than take a joke and throw it back at you. That's a shame, but the intention here shouldn't be to cause offense to anyone.

    I'd noticed in the brief time I spent at the Peanut Gallery that you guys don't seem to care at all about being offensive to people.

    I'll just keep pushing the boundaries and hope that the mods don't get sick of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pawnhead View Post
    ....Some people are a bit thin skinned and take offense rather than take a joke ....
    Nailed it.
    Cliff

    ...if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rossluck View Post
    Quite often new people or inexperienced members ask questions that seem naive and focus on subjects that have been previously discussed at length. This immediately makes them the target of derision which is manifest as snide remarks in this forum.
    I too dislike this happening.
    If somebody asks a question, then they deserve a civil answer. Not a rant about "use the bloody search tool" type of responce.

    But, on the other hand, if a member is putting forth false or misleading info, I like to set them straight as false info will lead to the asker of the question being let up the garden path.

    Treat everyone as you would like to be treated..
    Hooroo.
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    Whole heartedly agree with Neil

    Brickie my suggestion is bring some along yourself John & Allan won't mind and a breath of fresh air is always nice.

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    Us & them, them & us.........

    Here is an interesting parallel. (not my opinion, I couldn't give a rat's )

    It Takes All Kinds
    Cliff

    ...if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers View Post
    Nailed it.
    Oh I didn't take any offense at the Peanut Gallery if that's what you're implying. I just saw no point in wasting any more of my time arguing with you numbskulls.

    If you'd quoted the rest of that paragraph, then you'd notice a qualification:
    Quote Originally Posted by pawnhead
    the intention here shouldn't be to cause offense to anyone.
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    Arr but.... (gooder english)

    You most likely have a much higher opinion of your opinion then everybody else's opinion of your opininon, however, that is not my opinion... I couldn't give a rat's.
    Cliff

    ...if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail...

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    Everyone has a high opinion of their own opinion. You'd be in a straight jacket, or you'd need to take lithium for your depression if you didn't.

    You guys don't seem to care about how much mud you throw over the fence at the members here though.
    That's just my humble opinion BTW.

    edit: BTW, I'm not alone in my opinion. Someone who deserves a lot of respect agreed with me, and it gave me a lot of reasurance at the time. He won't throw mud over the fence, but I'd take his opinion over you numbskulls any day. That's all I'm saying on the matter though.
    Cheers, John

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    I didnt even know there was an us and them .....damn, gotta keep up with bunfights...

    Someone send me a pm so I can catch up
    I just love sheepies!

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    There is no Us and Them, some inmates made a run for it thats all..

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    Well said, John. I concur completely.

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    Us and them.

    Weird times.

    A moron is a moron, whether he posts here or there.

    Like it or not, some people are downright stupid.

    Don't tar everyone with the same brush.

    The "do a search mentality" was/is most prevalent here and one I've hated from the beginning.

    The other place is not for the easily offended. It is obviously not for all.

    The moderators do the best they can. (I don't always agree but who cares)

    We all have our times.

    I frequent both places. What's wrong with that?

    Just a few conclusions I thought I would post without making this post mindnumbingly long.

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    Can we go back to having fun now??

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    I thought it was all non stop fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazzler View Post
    I didnt even know there was an us and them .....damn, gotta keep up with bunfights...

    Someone send me a pm so I can catch up
    I would have sent you the link, but I’ve just paid a brief visit to the Peanut Gallery, and they’ve wisely decided to delete the offensive thread. I asked them to in both of my posts, but my request was ignored.

    The owner of the site said that you have to have a ‘thick skin’ after he posted a list of top WWF posters and invited comment. After a member was named who’s known for posting lengthy threads, there was a chorus of ‘no not him’ and the site owner referred to him as a “waste of bandwidth”, without even a sarcastic smilie attached, as did others. The gossip (I called it a circle-j***) about WWF members continued for pages until it was interrupted by the member who’s known for his lengthy posts.

    He (justifiably IMO) spat the venom of a thousand snakes, in one of the most articulate, well constructed, witty, and entertaining posts that I’ve ever had the pleasure of reading. I said as much in my posts, but they were all too busy having a good laugh at his expense.
    HTFU was their policy.

    The whole place looked to me like a clone of WWF, except that if you were a pen turner then you’d need a thick skin if you dared to sign up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brickie View Post
    There is no Us and Them, some inmates made a run for it thats all..
    Perhaps I should have kept my mouth shut, but you can’t take back what’s been said in public, and it looms large in my memory. I don’t know how you’re behaving now, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if you’re still discussing what’s going on here at WWF, and making comments about our members without them knowing. I couldn’t give a rats what you say about me, but you’ll probably be throwing some mud after reading this.
    As I said in my posts, if you have to gossip about something then do it in private by PM. I trust that you’re still amusing each other, although I have different term for that sort of behaviour (as I’ve already mentioned).
    Quote Originally Posted by LGS View Post
    Well said, John. I concur completely.
    I suspect that old Cliffy may be a bit peeved with me for ignoring him once. You see he tried (unsuccessfully I thought) to defend his character after my attacks on him, and other members. I raised the bar, and I even broke the terms of agreement at the Peanut Farm.
    Do you remember that Cliff?
    You came back pleading your case but I’ve said nothing else there since. Of course you weren’t alone in attacking me. On the contrary it was the other way around and I was alone and being attacked. This very fact also provided evidence for my slander of your character.
    I was also surprised at the behaviour of another prominent member, who was conceding to my points by PM, whilst at the same time defending his actions and going along with the pack in the thread.

    If you’re still bearing a grudge against me Cliff, then I’d advise you to grow a thicker skin, or take me to court for your satisfaction, if you can find the post somewhere in the bowels of the Peanut Farm ...


    You see, for all of us, once something has been said, it can’t be taken back.
    In a public forum, it can be deleted, but history remains the same and you just have to live with the consequences, whatever they may be.
    Cheers, John

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    Nice image John..
    http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...Johntongue.jpg

    I dont know how this has turned into a us and them thread?
    I was just commenting in the feedback forum, of all places, about how I perceive the forum has changed since I was here 3 months ago..

    Im still confused as to where the, them and us, in this thread has come from?
    Im not really, I just made that last bit up..

    I had no intention of even mentioning the other forum at all in this thread, it didnt even enter my Peanut brain to do so.

    I just wanted to know if is my perception of things, or if things had actually changed?

    It is the feed back forum after all..

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Can we go back to having fun now??
    Cheers, John
    Just a thought: If you borrow money from a pessimist, do they expect to get it back?
    I intend to live forever. So far, so good.

    .

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    I've been away for a bit and have just returned to this thread. I wanted to delete the cross forum references/arguments as they do not apply to this topic (humour), nor are they likely to benefit anyone involved.

    We (the admins and mods) do not want a them-and-us developing with any forums and have previously deleted the posts where it has occurred. Looking at this thread, deleting the references will be quite hard to do without losing the plot of the entire thread. I will also add that it would be quite hard to do without accusations of bias coming back again.

    So, please stop the cross-forum discussion and keep it to the topic of
    "Where did the humour go".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groggy View Post
    So, please stop the cross-forum discussion and keep it to the topic of
    "Where did the humour go".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Groggy View Post
    We (the admins and mods) do not want a them-and-us developing with any forums .
    Same here Greg, so keep it on topic people.
    Almost feels good........

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    Quote Originally Posted by echnidna View Post
    no Bob, the irony of the statement is not lost on me. See? I do have a sense of humour

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    "No irony intended

    pity you censored my previous post in this thread.

    That's one of the things that's gone awry here, reasonable discussion is censored.

    But keep your head in the sand and you lose the opportunity to improve things.

    Of course while your head is stuck in the sand someone might come up and give you a boot in the posterior. Hope I see it when it happens

    ps. I'll post a duplicate of this post on the feral forum so those who frequent both forums can see what I mean"

    pity I hadn't kept a copy of the deleted post but I didn't think of that as that post wasn't rude or anything. it was only intended to promote open and honest discussion'
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    Wow, I have been away.

    Anyhow....I love you all and if I wasnt already taken I would happily father your children.
    I just love sheepies!

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    That's what I get for spending the afternoon in the workshop instead of catching up with this stuff.
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    Bob,

    I posted this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Groggy
    I've been away for a bit and have just returned to this thread. I wanted to delete the cross forum references/arguments as they do not apply to this topic (humour), nor are they likely to benefit anyone involved.

    We (the admins and mods) do not want a them-and-us developing with any forums and have previously deleted the posts where it has occurred. Looking at this thread, deleting the references will be quite hard to do without losing the plot of the entire thread. I will also add that it would be quite hard to do without accusations of bias coming back again.

    So, please stop the cross-forum discussion and keep it to the topic of
    "Where did the humour go".
    I noticed your post below when the screen refreshed:

    Quote Originally Posted by echnidna
    Sadly some of this forums people seem to suffer from inferiority problems.

    Laughable really, a forum of almost 6000 active members worrying about a forum with about 75 active members

    I'm on both forums and find it astonishing that there is a far higher level of personal attacks here than in the feral forum. In fact theses days there are very few if any personal attacks over there.
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    The reason I deleted the post was sent to you in the following PM:

    Quote Originally Posted by Groggy

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    Bob,

    sorry that your post was the only one clobbered. I saw it after I posted mine and if I'd left it there it would have been very hard for others not to respond.

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    The reason for the deletion was provided, it wasn't personal, it was an attempt to keep the thread from degenerating into the "them and us" scenario mentioned earlier.

    Bob, if you don't like what the moderators do, or me in particular, then there are a few things you can do. I try to be fair, but am human like all of us, so I do make mistakes. If you think this is the case then you could first try answering the PMs that are sent to you, or take the issue to Neil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazzler View Post
    Wow, I have been away.

    Anyhow....I love you all and if I wasnt already taken I would happily father your children.
    Maybe start a list just in case you get divorced or something?

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    so why is me agreeing with your action to keep the thread on topic ironical?
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    Quote Originally Posted by echnidna View Post
    so why is me agreeing with your action to keep the thread on topic ironical?
    I was referring to the irony of MY statement, not yours - I thought you had picked up on it.

    The irony was that in the original post Brickie referred to posts being deleted and spoiling the humour. I was trying to keep the thread on track by moderating it, which unfortunately sometimes involves deleting posts, to keep the thread ABOUT humour.

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    Ok, I started this, can I end it?

    Please close, if possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brickie View Post
    Ok, I started this, can I end it?

    Please close, if possible?
    Please!

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    Not before me list is complete
    I just love sheepies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brickie View Post
    That's not my best side.
    My best side is at my other end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pawnhead View Post
    That's not my best side.
    My best side is at my other end.
    Im sure it is..

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