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    Howdy,

    Just wondering if there are any carpenters on here from SA willing to share their rates (m2,lm, etc) either openly or pm. Interested in first fix, second fix, eaves, cladding and anything else building related.

    Been out on my own for the past 3 months and although have been steady with work, I have found some of the rates builders expect (most builders really) an absolute joke.

    Curious to know what other chippys are willing to work for. I know itís a bit of a private one so Iím not expecting a lot.

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    Builders are tight arses, they won't pay their trades any more then they have to, seriously if you want to make decent money don't do work for Builders because they live in a make believe world of wanting to pay you like an apprentice, do your own jobs for private clients, and definitely don;t do work for cookie cutter builders they won't pay you anything.

    I know Builders in Vic that will run the job with next to nothing profit, IMO it's not worth it, Builders tend to get stung by the Plumbers and Electricians so they pay their chippys nothing.

    What rates are they expecting you to work for, IMO you get paid the same either first fix, finish etc as you get paid per hour to do the job whatever it is, you only get more when it's specialised work, or if you an an exceptionally good finish carpenter great with details and work quick.
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    Micky, clear your inbox it's full.
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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    Micky, clear your inbox it's full.

    Just cleared it.

    Man I canít believe it. One guy was only willing to pay 6k for 180m2 two storey with a bunch of additional work outside my normal scope of first fix. Told him Iíd like to see the quality he gets for that price - couldnít believe it. He asked what I thought it was worth and conservatively worked out $ 8.5k which I think is reasonable for the work involved and even then not making a killing.

    Cheap ass builders are a joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    Builders are tight arses, they won't pay their trades any more then they have to, seriously if you want to make decent money don't do work for Builders because they live in a make believe world of wanting to pay you like an apprentice, do your own jobs for private clients, and definitely don;t do work for cookie cutter builders they won't pay you anything.

    I know Builders in Vic that will run the job with next to nothing profit, IMO it's not worth it, Builders tend to get stung by the Plumbers and Electricians so they pay their chippys nothing.

    What rates are they expecting you to work for, IMO you get paid the same either first fix, finish etc as you get paid per hour to do the job whatever it is, you only get more when it's specialised work, or if you an an exceptionally good finish carpenter great with details and work quick.
    Thanks mate.

    Trying to get into the private market. Got a couple good jobs but few and far between at the moment. Oh and the ones that call you to say ďhave a good think about what the lowest cash price you will do and ring me back then Iíll let you know if you got the jobĒ lol makes me want to flip out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky013 View Post
    Thanks mate.

    Trying to get into the private market. Got a couple good jobs but few and far between at the moment. Oh and the ones that call you to say “have a good think about what the lowest cash price you will do and ring me back then I’ll let you know if you got the job” lol makes me want to flip out

    Then they have the nerve to ring you a fortnight later and ask why you never got back them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post

    I know Builders in Vic that will run the job with next to nothing profit, IMO it's not worth it, Builders tend to get stung by the Plumbers and Electricians so they pay their chippys nothing.

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    Not sure about that as I have a friend who was a plumber (retired now) and it took him 12 mths to get rid of a builder as he always paid him one job behind. When he made the mistake by paying on time he was off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    Not sure about that as I have a friend who was a plumber (retired now) and it took him 12 mths to get rid of a builder as he always paid him one job behind. When he made the mistake by paying on time he was off.
    Metrix not in the real world again, I will not work for builders, and if you relied on builders work as a plumber, you'd be better off on wages.
    Builders will hang onto YOUR money until you get nasty with them.
    Love it when DIYERS pin the blame on plumbers for their own shoddy work

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    Generalising a bit arent we...i get all my guys to quote.. i accept the quote just so i can work out the total build cost and i pay all my guys within a week.. most times its the day after i get their invoice..builders or anyone who is slack at paying have a major cash flow problem.... Most chippies up here work off an hourly rate not m2..BTW arent you a builder metrix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plum View Post
    Metrix not in the real world again, I will not work for builders, and if you relied on builders work as a plumber, you'd be better off on wages.
    Builders will hang onto YOUR money until you get nasty with them.
    What are you whinging about now, what I said has nothing to do with you, I don't know why you always have to come back with some smart arze comment trying to big note yourself all the time..

    If you read what I said, it means the builder gets stung by plumbers and electricians because a builder is not qualified to do either of these trades and legally can't do the work supplied by them so he will have to pay them whatever they are asking.
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    Whereas a proper builder who has come from being a chippy assumes he can rip the chippy's off because he downplays their skills as he could do the work but chooses not to, therefore won't pay them what they are worth.
    Yes you are right, I would not work for a Builder If you also read my advice to Micky it was as follows.

    they won't pay their trades any more then they have to, seriously if you want to make decent money don't do work for Builders because they live in a make believe world of wanting to pay you like an apprentice, do your own jobs for private clients, and definitely don;t do work for cookie cutter builders they won't pay you anything.

    I think you need to get your eyes checked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sol381 View Post
    Generalising a bit arent we...i get all my guys to quote.. i accept the quote just so i can work out the total build cost and i pay all my guys within a week.. most times its the day after i get their invoice..builders or anyone who is slack at paying have a major cash flow problem.... Most chippies up here work off an hourly rate not m2..BTW arent you a builder metrix.
    Interesting that you ask whether Metrix is a builder, very easy to check ABN Lookup website. He has never been GST registered, which to my way of thinking he has always worked for wages. Funny that. LOL.
    Love it when DIYERS pin the blame on plumbers for their own shoddy work

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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post
    What are you whinging about now, what I said has nothing to do with you, I don't know why you always have to come back with some smart arze comment trying to big note yourself all the time..

    If you read what I said, it means the builder gets stung by plumbers and electricians because a builder is not qualified to do either of these trades and legally can't do the work supplied by them so he will have to pay them whatever they are asking.
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    Whereas a proper builder who has come from being a chippy assumes he can rip the chippy's off because he downplays their skills as he could do the work but chooses not to, therefore won't pay them what they are worth.
    Yes you are right, I would not work for a Builder If you also read my advice to Micky it was as follows.

    they won't pay their trades any more then they have to, seriously if you want to make decent money don't do work for Builders because they live in a make believe world of wanting to pay you like an apprentice, do your own jobs for private clients, and definitely don;t do work for cookie cutter builders they won't pay you anything.

    I think you need to get your eyes checked.
    I think you'll find I was responding to a comment from Bros. Maybe YOU should get your eyes checked. You crazy old 'Builder' you. LOL.
    Love it when DIYERS pin the blame on plumbers for their own shoddy work

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    Not sure how i could check his abn or builders licence when i dont even know his full name or trading name....I just thought he was a builder going off some posts a while back..doesnt matter to me whether he is or isnt..Just his comment about tight @@@@ builders would have been having a crack at himself..so to speak..

    Micky ,, ,,working for a builder will get you a lower wage only because it is a constant wage.. working for yourself you can make more money per hour but may not be constant work..most builders up here pay chippies about $35-$40 an hour on wages..big contract builders who do 100s of homes a year may pay by the lm..not sure many guys work that way anomore tho..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky013 View Post
    Howdy,

    Just wondering if there are any carpenters on here from SA willing to share their rates (m2,lm, etc) either openly or pm. Interested in first fix, second fix, eaves, cladding and anything else building related.

    Been out on my own for the past 3 months and although have been steady with work, I have found some of the rates builders expect (most builders really) an absolute joke.

    Curious to know what other chippys are willing to work for. I know itís a bit of a private one so Iím not expecting a lot.

    Cheers
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    You have to work out whether the rate is equal to making wages, for a subcontract hourly rate that's around 110% on top of the award rate plus your vehicle running costs, basically if you're making anything under $60 / hr sub contracting you are losing & if you are contributing to the demise of a realistic income for the trade, builders will pay the least amount you allow them to. The training system is really deficient at TAFE to give trades the business knowledge of how much to charge, when they get out in the real world, it would take all of a few hours to do the calculations showing them such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intertd6 View Post
    You have to work out whether the rate is equal to making wages, for an hourly rate that's around 110% on top of the award rate plus your vehicle running costs, basically if you're making anything under $60 / hr sub contracting you are losing & if you are contributing to the demise of a realistic income for the trade, builders will pay the least amount you allow them to. The training system is really deficient at TAFE to give trades the business knowledge of how much to charge, when they get out in the real world, it would take all of a few hours to do the calculations showing them such.
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    Thanks.

    When I price on hrly I work on $60 however it appears to me that the most you will get from a decent builder here is $50. The rest arenít worth considering as they wonít even look at that.

    Iím ok with working on what I should be charging - itís finding builders willing to pay - which is almost impossible. I was worried maybe my pricing was off but it would appear that builders just want to pay the absolute minimum and if chippies out there are taking it, then itís not really gonna go up.

    Sol, Iím not really interested in working for wages - Iím trying to establish something for myself and maybe even for my kids to be a part of when the time comes.

    Cheers

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    Working for wages may appear to be not as attractive, but if all you can get is $50/hr sub contract then wages are actually better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intertd6 View Post
    Working for wages may appear to be not as attractive, but if all you can get is $50/hr sub contract then wages are actually better.
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    Yeah but as mentioned Iím trying to set some kind of business up for myself and thatís never gonna happen if I work on wages.

    Iím licensed to build and supervise up to 2 storey so eventually would like to build but for now working as a carpenter or building small extensions for private clients is what Iím aiming for.

    Ps in Adelaide your lucky to get $35 as a carpenter on wages

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    Quote Originally Posted by METRIX View Post

    If you read what I said, it means the builder gets stung by plumbers and electricians because a builder is not qualified to do either of these trades and legally can't do the work supplied by them so he will have to pay them whatever they are asking.
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    I can’t see how a builder can be stung. When they do a job they get the plumber and electrician to quote and just pass this on to the customer so the builder is not out of pocket.

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    Tradies are sometimes their own worst enemy.
    I had many times quotes from local tradesman, electrician, plumber, carpenter, concreter you name it. They invariably charge the locals premium prices in the order of $2000 a day, yet are happy to travel 2 hours to the city and work for the builder for $400 a day.
    So what I do is call tradies in from the inner city and I get a much better quote. My wife says that the travel time softens them up ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bros View Post
    I can’t see how a builder can be stung. When they do a job they get the plumber and electrician to quote and just pass this on to the customer so the builder is not out of pocket.
    Sure, but a builder may have priced the whole building based on an average cost for say plumber, then the usual plumber goes away on a tangent and he must call in another that charges him over the provision for plumbing. Chasing up trade for the right price is not easy when there is a building boom fuelled by unscrupulous immigration quotas that keep on going up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky013 View Post
    Yeah but as mentioned I’m trying to set some kind of business up for myself and that’s never gonna happen if I work on wages.

    I’m licensed to build and supervise up to 2 storey so eventually would like to build but for now working as a carpenter or building small extensions for private clients is what I’m aiming for.

    Ps in Adelaide your lucky to get $35 as a carpenter on wages
    $35 an hour on wages! Who in their right mind would work subcontract for $50 an hour when that is on offer. You won't get ahead on the wage alone and the same with $50 an hour subcontract as you are giving the head contractor around 40% of your effort for nothing, the carpentry trade in stuck in a cycle of stupidity by undercharging & the public are used to not paying for a skilled trade who aren't even making the equivalent wage after costs, tools, benefits, holidays, insurances, licensing & vehicle costs.

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    indeed.. carpentry wages have been in limbo for ages,, sparkies , bricklayers etc were about the same about 15-20 years ago.now they are up there with plumbers at $90 hr. i guess it because chippies are on the job as much as all other trades combined and therefore dont have to look for work as often as a plumber or sparkey.. my plumber does work for me but also does at least 6 or 7 other small jobs in one day..lots of travel and invoicing there..i usually invoice every month or so he invoices every hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sol381 View Post
    indeed.. carpentry wages have been in limbo for ages,, sparkies , bricklayers etc were about the same about 15-20 years ago.now they are up there with plumbers at $90 hr. i guess it because chippies are on the job as much as all other trades combined and therefore dont have to look for work as often as a plumber or sparkey.. my plumber does work for me but also does at least 6 or 7 other small jobs in one day..lots of travel and invoicing there..i usually invoice every month or so he invoices every hour.
    i was given a gem of business advice once, "if you can't make wages & cover your costs you might as well write a cheque to the person you're doing the work for & go to the beach & enjoy yourself while you go broke"
    Building is price driven & carpenters are potential builders who need to be able to say "yes" I can do a project, they just have to have the courage to be able to say no as well if they can't make a decent income, once you've up & running the idea is to have to have 9 profitable jobs to 1 that isn't, not 9 unprofitable to 1 profitable, no business can grow without being profitable, plumbers & electricians still charge out for getting to a job whether it's 1 or 6 jobs a day, only a carpenter or builder would think that they don't because that's the way they've been taught how to not make money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intertd6 View Post
    $35 an hour on wages! Who in their right mind would work subcontract for $50 an hour when that is on offer. You won't get ahead on the wage alone and the same with $50 an hour subcontract as you are giving the head contractor around 40% of your effort for nothing, the carpentry trade in stuck in a cycle of stupidity by undercharging & the public are used to not paying for a skilled trade who aren't even making the equivalent wage after costs, tools, benefits, holidays, insurances, licensing & vehicle costs.

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    Agree the trade is stuck in a rut and I donít see it coming out in a hurry. As for working for $35 an hour, no thanks. I can work at Bunnings for a bit less and I wonít be working anywhere near as hard.

    As mentioned Iím working on rates higher than that and right now itís not gelling with builders - hence why I made the original post. I wanted to know if it was me being unrealistic or builders being pricks. Iíd say itís the latter.

    Ps as of 30 mins ago, I just landed a nice private extension and floor. Maybe things are looking up for 2018

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    well done mate. as mentioned earilier quoting is the hardest thing..get that right and you will make serious money..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sol381 View Post
    well done mate. as mentioned earilier quoting is the hardest thing..get that right and you will make serious money..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky013 View Post
    Thanks

    It is an art - getting there slowly
    Obviously not a chippy, but as a self employed plumber, it took years to start making good money. I went through some pretty crap times and nowadays it sort of just flows. Just make sure your suppliers are paid, oh and also your subbies.
    Love it when DIYERS pin the blame on plumbers for their own shoddy work

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    Quote Originally Posted by plum View Post
    Obviously not a chippy, but as a self employed plumber, it took years to start making good money. I went through some pretty crap times and nowadays it sort of just flows. Just make sure your suppliers are paid, oh and also your subbies.
    Thanks!

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